The End of the Bull Stock Market – Buy Gold – Charles Nenner

By Greg Hunter’s  (Early Sunday Release)

Renowned geopolitical and financial cycle expert Charles Nenner says forget what the mainstream media talking heads are telling you about this market. Nenner says, “When unemployment is low, it’s the end of the bull market.  Last Sunday, I published a chart that shows every time the unemployment is around 4.1% or 4.2%, and you can see this in 1973, 1987, 1990 and 2007, and you can go on and on, and now, also, you have a market crash.  I find it amazing that people can come on television and say things that are totally wrong factually, and you can prove it is wrong.”So, Charles Nenner is calling a top right now, but the market is not going to go straight down. Market tops are a process.  Nenner explains, “The cycles saw a market top.  It doesn’t always have to come down immediately, it just means the market will not go higher.  I don’t think we will go back to the highs one more time because the quarterly cycle, and it is a long cycle, did top at the end of last year.  I also want to put in a caveat about all this talk that we are in a 10% correction.  Somebody came up with 10%, and it is not based on anything. . . . The fact is we are totally out of stocks.  What is coming is big, but market tops take time.  I don’t think it’s going to go down immediately.”

When will this new bear market hit bottom? Nenner says, “We should hit a major low in 2020. . . . I have been on record saying that the next bear market goes down to 5,000.  If you are in stocks, I say you could lose everything if the DOW goes to 5,000.  This is the price target I have had for a couple of years.”

What does Nenner think you should buy for protection? Nenner says, “You buy gold because nothing else is going to keep its value.  Gold is going, as I have said for a long time, to $2,500 (per ounce) at least.  Again, you buy gold because nothing else will keep its value.  Stocks can go down, you can get stuck with some losses in the bond market, the housing market will go down based on homebuilder stocks and the financial system can scare you.  So, what is left? Buy gold.”

Join Greg Hunter as he goes One-on-One with financial expert Charles Nenner of the Charles Nenner Research Center.

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After the Interview: 

Charles Nenner points out if you look back every year that ended in the number 7, it was a market top year. He said, “2017 will follow the same pattern as 2007, 1997, 1987, 1977, 1967, 1957, 1947 and 1937.”  Nenner contends 1927 was supposed to be a market top year, but things got distorted and it was pushed off until 1929.

Nenner predicts the next market crash will not be quite as bad as 1929, but it will be bad.

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  1. gregd

    Math doesn’t lie. It’s time for John Williams. Nobody else gives us the true numbers. I’m hoping you have him soon. Thanks.

    • Anthony Australia

      Yes please.

    • CRAT

      “AMEN” to that gregd…..

    • Rob Banks

      Shadowstats shows 22% unemployment for the past 5 years. Hard to believe Mr. Nenner doesn’t know this. No doubt about it here in flyover country.

      • al

        amen and amen (as the Bible says)

      • Paul ...

        When printing money hand over fist by the Fed can’t get the economy moving … the Ponzi game is over … we are officially in a hyper-inflationary depression … where a simple trip to Disneyland with the kids now costs what your parents paid for a three bedroom house with a two car garage in 1954 … our money is becoming “Zimbabwe paper confetti” … and soon it will take a Trillion “Zimbabwe” US dollars to buy one ounce of silver!!

        • This sceptred Isle

          yep, still waiting for this deflation…

          • Greg Hunter

            What do you call the defaulted debt of Puerto Rico? ($74 billion) What do you suppose is going to happen to the massive debt in Illinois? This is debt destruction and that is classic deflation as was the deflationary forces in the housing crisis (2008) when home values were cut dramatically.

            • This sceptred Isle

              Sure, point taken, but theoretically they will just create more and more currency to compensate. There may be pockets of deflation but how come the price of everything keeps rising? Can the deflationists answer one question: what is going to stop the central banks creating QUADRILLIONS of dollars/pounds/Euros out of thin air?

              • This sceptred Isle

                this will be anything but a classic deflation. In the 1930s the dollar was still tied to gold and so money could not just be created out of thin air and so you had a classic deflationary scenario. Today money can be created to paper over this mess. I take your point that there are pockets of deflation but overall we are seeing inflation with stocks and bonds near record valuations, oil/commodity prices resuming their uptrend, utility bills going up, travel expenses going up, food bills going up (including shrinkflation).

                • This sceptred Isle

                  imagine what will happen when the printing presses really hot up and we see helicopter money.

            • This sceptred Isle

              How can we be in an overall deflation when the uk official inflation figure as of today is 3%? And as your regular guest John Williams confirms these statistics are understated.


              • Paul ...

                TSI … Perhaps this will be clearer … printing money hand over fist by the Fed is inflation (pure and simple) … can’t getting the economy moving is deflationary (as everyone cuts back on buying because the money they have won’t pay their rising inflated bills) … therefore I use the term hyper-inflationary-depression to describe the current situation … actually defaulting on ones loans and bills (because wages and COLA’s don’t keep pace with inflation) drives the deflationary side of the equation … while the Fed hyper-inflates to cover all the banksters loan losses so their Ponzi scheme won’t collapse!!

            • boris chikvashvili

              Let’s try to get terminology clear, so that we do not talk past each other. One man’s inflation is another’s deflation. If home prices go down home owner gets deflated, the one that held the cash has seen his purchase power inflated. Inflation is subject to laws of physics .. like Energy It does not disappear, it moves ( EINSTEIN). Therefore, the only thing that matters is a trade. Did you buy it low and sell it high? You made money, at least in the currency , in which transaction was executed, which does not still guarantee that you have made money against the better trade you could have had during the same time period(:-. There is another aspect of inflation , the way it is defined. Individually, nobody can say that inflation is GLOBAL concept. Individual Cost of living is subject to individuals life style. Therefore OFFICIAL INFLATION ( regardless of who OFFICIAL IS, GOV or Mr Williams ) is different. That is how the POOR and elderly on FIXED INCOME are defrauded, because Computer prices may go down, and they do not get COLA, but nobody asked them if they bought new computer this year. Certainly only few of the bought IPHONES(:-
              Thanks and ENJOY VERY MUCH all the discussions , sometimes confusing, but always educational. Thanks Greg

    • David Larsen


    • ConcAmDad

      ‘Like listening to the nutty professor……. and now we’re believing the unemployment numbers?

    • Gordon Shumway

      Amen & AMEN!
      Using the Shadowstats option @, I input what the Dow was when I was a stockbroker in 1970 (683), and asked it what the NUMERICALLY EQUIVALENT Dow would be as of 2017, adjusted for ACTUAL INFLATION, as opposed to what the Guvvamint would have us believe. Are you ready for it? (Drumroll)
      Stated another way, virtually ALL of the “growth” in stock prices since 1970 is due to INFLATION.
      And THAT, boys and girls” is what the Trumpster is actually up against in the months ahead.

      • Paul ...

        Investing in the stock market will protect you against inflation … but only up to a point … the point being where businesses begin to fail … take Disney stock for example … when people start to say “I just can’t afford to go to Disneyland with the kids anymore as my wages are not keeping up with inflation” … Disney stock will simply not earn the money needed to keep its stock rising … the same is true with other businesses … price to earnings ratios are now at historical extremes … so the stock market “is not the place to put money to protect you from the hyper-inflation of the money supply to come” … only gold and silver can offer that protection!!

        • james

          i love how people keep using how expensive it is to go to Disneyland yet Disneyland has to raise their prices every year and in addition they implement UBER like “surge pricing” on certain days to curb demand because they have too many people visiting their park. All because YOU can’t afford it doesn’t mean it’s too high, it means YOU are priced out of the market. Like an old computer that can’t compete with a newer model. My dad complains about gas prices compared to his “fixed” income and my response is …don’t be FIXED. Continue to grow and gather new skills and when you get discriminated in the market place because of your age then become a consultant where you age is an asset. No one knows if the market is high or not in absolute terms…maybe its just too high for YOU. As Warren Buffet states the biggest asset is yourself and if you put all your efforts to continually better yourself and gain skills your income will be such it doesn’t matter what the stock market does day to day

  2. Anthony Australia

    Thanks Greg, I do believe it will be precious metals that above all willl hold and excel in value.
    Bix Weir only said this morning that Gold will not save the world and Silver will be only for industrial usage. He claims it is Crypo’s that will ultimately prevail.
    Everyone has an opinion but do they truly know what the Rothschild & Rockefeller families are cooking up.
    Buy food, water, a generator and other essentials, a real hedge against inflation and survival certainty.
    Love & Peace to all. The hour is now.

    • al

      Bix’s claims are just that, just claims. I know a tour guide in the Canyon and he specifically said there is no gold there. Bix in my eyes is delusional.
      Anthony, as a computer engineer I closely follow and contribute to the crypto ecosystem. I’m a HUGE Gold and Silver bug and they will always be money, however, cryptos are waking up our future to the corruption in finance and government and NGOs like the Rothschilds and Soros, etc… Our future leaders, our kids, are awake! I am blown away on how much they know already and how they abhor the current system.
      I’m here to tell you, it will be a different World where these entities you and I mention will be gone.
      This is not only a bold statement, I believe it to be a logical progression of humanity and we’re seeing its manifestation right before our eyes.

      • Anthony Australia

        Me to! Thanks al

    • tin foil hat

      Anthony Australia,

      If the Federal Reserve continued to resist the SDR and insisted on total control of the markets. The western central banks will step in and price control the entire yield curve. They will buy stocks directly or indirectly via ETFs and gold will continued to be collared.

      Couple of things can happen if the Federal Reserve handed over the baton to IMF:

      – Total technocratic control of the global markets via a new global reserve currency denominated in SDR. I suspect IMF will create a crypto currency denominated in SDR to be used exclusively by the central banks. International bankers will have total control of the world via the control of the world money supply. In this scenario, gold price will stay flat or collapse.

      – Gold will take a role in the central banks’ reserve to meet the need to combine the old rigid physical asset and an overly unrestricted and abstract digital derivative. The new system needs to shift the reference point of oil from a unipolar asset – dollar to a neutral settlement asset – SDR with the reference point to gold.

      For example: IMF would set the exchange rates for productive or resource rich nations like Germany and Saudi Arabia to almost 1:1 ratio. The Deutsche Mark should be as good as gold or maybe even occasionally surpass the price of gold. Germany should have no problem getting $100 SDR with $99 Deutsche Mark and $1 SDR worth of gold.

      For nation like Greece, the requirement would be 1% worth of local currencies in SDR and 99% gold in exchange for $100 of SDR. If Greeks needed SDR for foreign goods, they would either have to earn the SDR by way of exports or convert $99 SDR worth of domestically mined gold and $1 SDR of drachma. The amount of gold is needed for conversion to SDR will reduce when the drachma is strengthened with improved productivity.

      The IMF would likely utilize the Blockchain technology with each nation’s central bank equips with a block and IMF will manage the Gold & Regional Currencies Exchange denominated in SDR. In this monetary system, the international bankers would not be able to have control over nations with sufficient amount of gold reserve.

      If gold were to be used to partially back the regional currencies for SDR, gold would rise in a similar fashion to what happened in 1974 when it was decided that oil would be used to back the dollar. The oil market wasn’t big or expensive enough for the transition, the price of oil needed to be raised to around $12 from $3 a barrel in order to cover the money supply in dollar. Come to think of it, the 1973 oil embargo was probably a ploy between the Saudis and Kissinger to justify the predetermined price of $12 petrodollar.

      • Silence is Golden

        The IMF is a multilateral institution and is a construct of the Bretton Woods conference…the same one which gave the USD its “KING” status.
        Its MO is to bankrupt nations and remove their sovereignty via overstepping its authority and imposing severe conditionality to loan arrangements.
        Forgive me if I have misunderstood your point… but what you are suggesting is that the IMF ensures its existence in order to deprive every man , woman and child on Earth, of their God given freedom.
        You are Black and White in your thinking. You fail to understand the true machinations of the Politico/Banking machinery.
        As for …..”International bankers will have total control of the world via the control of the world money supply”…..I’m afraid to tell you this fact….but….THEY ALREADY HAVE CONTROL.

        • tin foil hat

          Silence is Golden,
          I know the bankers already have control but they don’t always work together in unison.

          Muslims, Christians and banksters don’t always work together: Sunnis vs. Shiites, Catholic vs. Protestants and Federal Reserve (Anglo-American bankers) vs. BIS/IMF (international bankers).

          I’m pretty sure the Deep State (Bush, Clinton, Obama, McCain …..) is with the Federal Reserve and Trump is likely supported by the BIS/IMF.

          I don’t know whether or not Trump, Putin and Xi are truly independent nationalists. If they were vassals of the BIS/IMF globalists, gold likely will not be a component of the SDR after the reset.

      • Paul ...

        When the world reserve currency moves out of the hands of the Fed crooks in the US into the hands of the “even bigger” IMF crooks … the world’s Ponzi economic system will be on even less stable ground … looking forward to “a fake Savior” (dressed in paper or electronic money) will lead to our damnation … a “real Savior” will be dressed in silver and gold!!

      • Anthony Australia

        Hi TFH,

        Thanks for the reply. I read it a few times to get my head around it. There is one thing I don’t understand, why is the following exchange listed;

        XE Currency Charts: XAU to XDR
        Gold Ounce to IMF Special Drawing Rights Chart

        • Tin foil hat

          Presently, the SDR is not the global reserve currency.
          The aforementioned scenarios are hypothetical reserve currency denominated in SDR, one has a gold component and one doesn’t. Hence, XAU to XDR doesn’t apply in the hypothetical exchange.
          The SDR without the gold component would be similar to the dollar except it wouldn’t have to deal with the consequence of Triffin Dilemma – the dollar being both a regional currency and a global reserve currency. If the SDR were to become the reserve currency, all commody prices, including gold, and futures markets, which can indirectly affect the FX market, will be denominated in SDR. The IMF international bankers can manipulate prices just as the Deep State has been doing with the dollars.
          The SDR with the gold component would require a new formula for the exchange to deal with gold, regional currencies and SDR since gold is a piece of the SDR pie.
          For example: if Germany wanted to have more gold in the reserve instead of the SDR, the Germans can exchange $100 of SDR for $1 SDR of drachma and $99 SDR of gold. The Germans can use the drachma to import olives directly or buy real estates in Greece just as the Russians and Chinese are buying real estates in America now.
          Anyway, as long as gold is an universally recognized component of the new money and must be available for physical delivery in the exchange. The international bankers’ control of the futures markets and the world would be limited.

          • AA

            🙂 Thanks for taking the time to explain this.

  3. ross

    Charles is trying to predict the future, based on past cycles and his experience backed by Charle’s logic. We have never been here before with Central Bankers + the Exchange Stabilisation Fund intervening in all markets, so predicting anything is very uncertain. Bonds are promises to repay debt issued by Govts and Corporations but with jobs diminishing in the West as production goes off shore + the affect of robotics, where is Govt going to find the tax money to honour their bond commitments ? Corporations already do not pay their share of tax.. This will be the trifecta of property, bonds and share market collapse and there is no way it can be stopped.

    • jack

      I agree+ the Fed will continue to sit on Gold and silver for as long as they can keep printing paper gold. right now paper gold is leveraged 500:1 , and the Comex is pretty much out of gold. London is supplying deliveries on the COMEX , but very few are “allowed” to stand for delivery. I agree that there is no way to time cycle any markets now because there are no markets , there is no price discovery…. assets are priced via futures based on Political considerations not fundamentals, unless you have a seat at the insiders table , it’s all a crap shoot. I would just hold hard asserts, like gold and silver and some good free and clear real estate , everything else is a promise to pay , even stocks

    • Tommy

      You can’t analyze or predict rigged markets. The markets are rigged. Economic growth, inflation, employment, interest rates, you name, they are are make believe.

  4. john

    fear porn,
    he was never right, greg ,why you invit this freaks.
    just matin armstrong is smart.
    the dow will go to 38ooo

    • Bob

      Stewart Thompson predicted Dow 40,000 years ago.

      After that, what?

      ST says silver to $600 then crash hard and stay there. Gold is “the ultimate asset” according to ST.

    • Frederick

      John You put that jug down this minute

    • gregd

      I’m trying to get gold and silver because I believe that those who own it(China, Russia, India) with most agreeing “the power is going east” will declare the new price is 10k, 20k or 50k or more making their people the new middle class because their people accumulate it. It could be that simple.

  5. Tad

    “Nenner predicts the next market crash will not be quite as bad as 1929, but it will be bad.”

    I don’t know how it couldn’t be significantly worse. Dow down to 5,000 doesn’t begin to tell the story: simultaneous global stock crashes; likewise for bond markets and perhaps an uneven daisy chain for real estate.

    I don’t know how his cycle theories square with free markets that don’t exist.

    The year 2020 may be the low, if you use his term. Since it will coincide with severe economic dislocation, I would call it a crash.

    I can understand his hesitancy in predicting war, though he did talk about in cycle terms and said he wasn’t very good at its prediction.

    Head scratch.

    Probably meaningless in prediction terms, but does anyone seriously think a conventional war with China and Russia wouldn’t turn nuclear within a week, at most?

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  8. Alan

    This guy is so wishy-washy in his answers, it’s hard for me to figure out what interesting info he has. He is the most boring guest you have in my opinion.

  9. Bruno Brunswick

    WOW! Dr. Jerome Corsi Emotional End Interview with Tracy Beanz, Very Inspirational
    Trying to hand over the corruption without interruption!

    MASSIVE Q-DROP FEB 10th- The Take-down Begins
    From comments section,
    What used to set us apart from the rest of the world was that our government was relatively corruption free. Not any more. Thanks to hrc et al, sorros, et al, we have fallen under the spell of the prince of the power of the air. At least those in dc have fallen pray. No, it’s all the way down to the state and local areas. Corruption has almost destroyed our Nation. Pray for the USA. If we will realize the source of our blessings, we might just avoid the wrath of God

    Prescott bush also was among a group that planned to overthrow the american government and kill the president. Smedley Butler busted them. He wrote a book about it. Nothing happened to bush or his cronies, not even a slap on the hand. Then years later, we made his son and grandson president of the US. We can’t ever let ourselves be that gullible again. We have to run the country, not a group of elitists. Everyone must stay involved.

    Obama and Hillary did not destabilize the Middle East, THEY MURDERED INNOCENT PEOPLE! . Children, mothers, father, grand pa’s, grand ma’s and sweethearts. Murdered innocent people for their own selfish, evil purpose! Military court and Guantanamo is the only way, don’t stick em in America! Let’s do it!

    Don’t know if Democrats will believe anything, ever. They are being lied to by their own corrupt party and MSM!

    Prescott bush also was among a group that planned to overthrow the american government and kill the president. Smedley Butler busted them. He wrote a book about it. Nothing happened to bush or his cronies, not even a slap on the hand. Then years later, we made his son and grandson president of the US. We can’t ever let ourselves be that gullible again. We have to run the country, not a group of elitists. Everyone must stay involved.
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    Gina Chu Cheong
    Gina Chu Cheong
    1 day ago
    Obama and Hillary did not destabilize the Middle East, THEY MURDERED INNOCENT PEOPLE! . Children, mothers, father, grand pas and grand mas, sweethearts. Murdered innocent people for their own selfish, evil purpose! Military court and Guantanamo is the only way, don’t stick America! Let’s do it!

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    True100 Almost extinct
    2 days ago
    God Bless You Jerome Corsi.

    Sandra Mendenhall
    Sandra Mendenhall
    2 days ago
    Don’t know if Democrats will believe anything, ever. They are being lied to by their corrupt party and MSM

    • Bruno Brunswick

      Greg, could you erase anything past, [Don’t know if Democrats will believe anything, ever. They are being lied to by their own corrupt party and MSM!]
      Thanks, everything after is just a repeat.

      Keep up the good work, your quiet the celeb you know.
      Please don’t let it go to your head, especially while everybody is losing theirs!

      • Greg Hunter

        Thank you Bruno, but I am really just a humble trumpet blower (reporter.)

        • Brunsy

          Good on ya Greg!

        • David Larsen

          My favorite reporters have been Walter Cronkite, Charles Kuralt, and Greg Hunter. I’m 62 years old now for what it’s worth. That’s the facts.

          • Greg Hunter

            Thank you David. I saw Cronkite cry when he was reporting on the JFK assassination.

            • Paul from Indiana

              Greg, we all cried when JFK was murdered. I cried when Cronkite took it upon himself to judge the Viet Nam war (while supposedly functioning as a reporte)r and undermine all those boys fighting and some dying for an idea that the liberal likes of Cronkite were in the process of destroying, and CBS giving them a nationwide forum to do so. He’s no hero of mine. Best always. PM

              • Greg Hunter

                I just remembered him crying, that’s all.

  10. FC

    I believe the crash will be greater than 1929 because today we have enormous personal debt compared to back then.

    • Gary

      Any crash today is a debt crash. In 1929 our currency was based upon gold. The currency today it is based upon debt. Meaning, of course, that back then there was real wealth behind our money. Today, nothing but debt. The unconstitutional JOINT RESOLUTION TO SUSPEND THE GOLD STANDARD AND ABROGATE THE GOLD CLAUSE of June 5, 1933 and the Emergency Banking Act of March 9, 1933 dissolved our constitutional form of government and left us with nothing but a shell of what and who we, as a nation, had been. For all intents and purposes FDR declared the US bankrupt and dissolved the US republican form of government.

      • Paul from Indiana

        Gary, don’t forget Roosevelt stiffing Churchill throughout the war, kissing up to Stalin, and selling half of Europe out to communism. What a fraud that guy was. Best always. PM

  11. Marty Mc

    Curiously, not one word about The China Effect in the world gold/ petroleum yuan markets. Also Greg, in the nex 90 days , we will be looking at Israel’s 70th Year of independence as a nation, May 14, 1948. Maybe it’s time for JONATHAN Cahn update

  12. Frederick

    Goldman Sachs is out there saying not to worry that it’s only a blip So now we know Nenner is correct

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  15. al

    Unemployment at 4.2%? again I ask, unemployment at 4.2%, and he’s basically talking about fake news? Seems like he bought some of the fake news himself.
    The bigger question here is “where did the money go?”. Where did people selling at the top park their mother load? Answer. The money was never there, the people are algorithms and derivatives blew this bubble and derivatives popped it. Derivatives is a nice word for reckless unadulterated gambling, and as with all casino games, the money is vapor. It was never there. That’s the reality of this crash, not the rigged unemployment numbers. Someone tell this man he’s looking at a rigged system!
    I paid for Nenner’s service and let’s just say I wasn’t impressed.

    • Frederick

      You “paid” for Nenners advice Will well well

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