Disorderly Price Increases Coming for Gold & Silver – Craig Hemke

By Greg Hunter’s USAWatchdog.com

Financial writer and precious metals expert Craig Hemke says high demand coupled with low supply will unlock the price of precious metals. Hemke says, “Look, the system is a total fraud. This pricing scheme was devised in 1974 as a way to diffuse supply. It was to make supply appear more readily available. . . .   So, now it’s finally crumbling because people are finally figuring out it’s a scam. It’s a confidence game. You may think you own gold . . . but what you own is just a promise. . . . So, now they are being called on the carpet to try to supply gold. . . . When the day finally comes that this pricing scheme is shattered and 50 people show up to take possession of the same ounce of gold . . . that’s when we find out what the true price of gold is.”

What’s driving the demand for investors to get their hands on physical gold or silver? Look no further than Fed President Neel Kashkari who recently bragged on the TV show 60 Minutes about “an infinite amount of cash in the Federal Reserve. We will do whatever we need to do . . .” to basically save the banking system and the economy from the virus chaos gripping the nation. Hemke contends, “Since this QE to infinity program began Monday, March 23, the S&P is up something like 17%. . . . Fundamentally, there is terrible stuff, but that doesn’t mean the stock market is going to go down because of all of this cash being created, and it’s going into the stock market and everything else. So, when I tell you the stock market is up 17%, it should be no surprise, but gold is also up 14% and silver is up 25% in the last 14 days. That is going to continue. . . . Central banks will always print cash to stop a deflationary spiral. Instead, in an inflationary spiral, currencies will be devalued and gold and silver will go higher.”

Hemke points out the life cycle of any fiat money creation system always ends up going vertical on a chart. Hemke explains, “You’ve got to constantly keep creating money to service all your existing debts. That’s what this system is, and now we are getting to the exponential phase of it. Just like the Covid virus is now getting to the exponential phase. . . . . It’s the same thing with debt. It’s growing exponentially, so the cash needed to service that debt needs to grow exponentially.”

In closing, Hemke says, “Gold has already made new highs in all other currencies except the dollar, but that’s coming. . . . Gradually, over a period of months, gold is going to go to $2,500 per ounce, and that may be orderly, but there will be a time where it will be disorderly.”

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  1. Stuart Englert

    Thanks Greg.
    Hemke cuts to the chase.

  2. JC

    I don’t know what to say. Everything is insane, everything is corrupt. Greed brought all this on. The same people that created this mess are the ones that are claiming to be the saviors of the system. When is enough enough?

    • paul ...

      Here we were building F35’s, Aircraft Carriers, Nuclear Weapons, etc., etc. for the coming war against America … when we should have been building ventilators, masks, gloves, etc., etc. … and we should have allowed people to deduct vitamins like A, C, D, etc. and minerals like zinc, etc., etc. off their tax returns so as to build a strong resistant population for this war we now find ourselves in!!

    • SolarGuy

      Good comment. That’s exactly right
      What a mess

    • paul ...

      When is enough enough? … Peter Schiff asks the same question … https://tunein.com/podcasts/Business–Economics-Podcasts/The-Peter-Schiff-Show-Podcast-p1137720/?topicId=141172916

  3. Justn Observer

    Greg, Talk about the odds…A Mother-Daughter tag team for the virus fix? And seem like many more familia in their linkn pages…Can this be true…What a coincidence?



    • Justn Observer

      Make your own choice – it’s your future… What MAY really be going on with the tests for the ”’virus”’ every sick person has so ALL tested will have it? And then ”’need”’ to get/take the vaccine and get a ‘certificate’ of ””compliance”’?

    • JC

      Justn, the barnhardt page comes up but it says….

      This is somewhat embarrassing, isn’t it?
      It seems we can’t find what you’re looking for. Perhaps searching can help.

    • Kevin S.

      Gates Foundation strategy head LAURA Birx is NOT Deborah Birx’ daughter.


    • Coalburner

      Looks like Ms Birk doesn’t have much of an education. Spent the time but two made up degrees.

    • Mary Casey

      Justn Observer, Hi….Amazing Polly has back-tracked on Deborah Birx’s daughter being connected with Bill Gates. Her 1st few seconds of link below explains it…..

      • Coalburner

        Well, somehow Laura Birx of Melinda and Bill Gates Foundation, popped up on my Linked In which also brought up the good Doctor Birx, and maybe another daughter who interestingly works for another World Health Organization, not a Doctor. Neither of the daughters have near the education as Dr Brix, Masters in some do nothing programs. Dr. Fouchi showed up, and maybe one of his kids. And other interesting names. All professional People we are hearing from a lot. Dr Birx is a veteran and has a powerful resume. As good as her reputation claims.
        I bet they are not happy about Trump looking at cutting tax payer money wasted to WHO as most Americans believe. They have lots of connections.
        I respect that, but WHO is a rat pile that we just happen to have representatives tied up in and spend too much money supporting . We waste a ton of money on a truck load of these Globalist Progs that generally as a group hate us anyway. So I applaud the President for researching these outfits.

    • Robert

      Why do your links not work?

  4. Fredrick Getzschman

    Great report.

    • Greg Hunter

      Thank Frederick for your comment and dedication to USAW!

      • The World's Greatest Trader

        Superb guests, week after week, thank you Greg!

  5. JC

    Guest: E.B. Tucker Director, Metalla Royalty & Streaming
    The disparity between the physical bullion and paper gold market could point to price manipulation in the markets, this according to E.B. Tucker, director of Metalla Royalty & Streaming.
    “The difference between the price [of gold] in New York and the price in London was $70. What that says is that the people that have been arguing about manipulation in the gold market and talking about that for years is not as crazy as we once thought,” Tucker told Kitco News.


  6. Louie Eberhardt

    Hi Greg enjoy show every week, and many others great informed new.So much going on. there was a show Early Edition with Kyle chandler played Gary Hobson . I always liked it and was very funny and serious with tomorrow,s news today. that how i see your show.just felt like sharing that and a funny video i heart real heart warming one.Hope you can see them Louie i in your email i think [email protected]

  7. Mike M

    Fake news, misinformation and disinformation – that’s what you are getting right now at levels never seen before.

    The virus is just the catalyst being used for the end goal which is the total take down of the US along with several of its cronies such as the UK. There is no recovery, rebound or “light at the end of the tunnel” for what is coming. It’s only over when the economy is destroyed and millions are dead based on years of concrete evidence to support my claim.

    Whether you want to go back to 9/11, JFK or further, the ones pulling the strings have had full control of what has happened and is currently happening and their agenda is fully known to the minute few with “eyes wide open” who have inside information.

    There is no white knight, John Wayne or other hero coming to save the day. Things will continue to get worse until it becomes obvious even for the dumbest of the dumb, that their is no hope this time – only more chaos and destruction beyond what the mind can comprehend or is currently willing to accept.

    Buying guns/ammo, stockpiling a little food and supplies is totally meaningless. The same goes for thinking the purchase of gold/silver will make any difference because what you are now going to be faced with is pure basic survival. Even knowing this, however, will still not provide you with the means, resources and knowledge to not become an eventual victim of what’s taking place.

    So, whether you survive the virus is immaterial as many of you may actually prefer the alternative once you see what is coming. In any case, the game is coming to an end and you’re not going to like the outcome.

    There was a time when something could have been done to prevent this but that time has now passed. And as it turns out now, time is the most precious thing you have left, so spend it wisely with those you care about most. Adios

    • JC

      Mike M, perhaps you will enjoy the works of G.A. Stewart.

      And then I really grew up after September 11th, 2001, when I started writing my first book, The Age of Desolation.

      I first heard about the prophecies in the Book of Revelation from my shipmates as we sat on a ballet of bombs watching the sunset from the flight-deck of a U.S. Navy ship in the Arabian Sea. I never heard my Sunday School teachers mention The Apocalypse, or maybe I was just not paying attention. It would take another 24-years and a conversation with Dr. Edgar Mitchell, the sixth man to walk on the Moon, before the spiritual aspects of prophecy would have an impact on my thinking.

      That is why Nostradamus and The Third Age of Mars, The Prophecies of World War III is over 1,500 pages. I tried to cram everything in there, including Antediluvian and Greek mythology. All of this arcane mythology and religious history are a part of the cycle of human reincarnation and karma that has led humanity to this point in time we call The Eschaton and The Apocalypse.


      • G. A. Stewart

        Thanks again JC.

        I have been reading through the comments and it is interesting to see the breadth of expectation come life after COVID-19.

        There are certain websites like Greg’s where basically we all share similar world views; that is why we come here for information. We may disagree on the minutia, but basically we are all watching the game from the same seat section of life.

        I grew up playing chess nearly every day with my Uncle. He was a Hard Money Man. In the decades since, I have met plenty of Hard Money Men and Women, ie. Gold Bugs. Doom and gloom was always around the corner.

        I remember the 70s oil crisis and 800 per ounce gold. It looked like the end of the world there, especially when you are sitting on a pallet of bombs 200 miles off the coast of Iran.

        The whole fiat-fractional reserve, central banking system has run its course. Globalism is another word for Empire, and empires extract resources. There are none left to extract, because the bankrupt West has run into the Russian wall and the Chinese wall. That means the peasants are the next available resource.

        I wanted to take advantage of the recent sell off, when gold dipped below 1500. I could only find 3 ounces within a decent driving distance of where I live. Premiums have tripled. Gold has been real money for 7,000 years. That is not about to change, but the system will change to where regular people will not be able to own it.

        We are at an Orwellian Inflection point, where the world powers of Oceania, Eurasia and Eastasia will define reality for all 7.6 billion of us. I tell people that COVID-19 is the Everything Virus. Bankers and politicians will not get the blame for economic collapse. Somebody lanced the boil. COVID-19 will be the excuse politicians and police will use to come to your house and take your gold, your guns, and your groceries after your neighbors have ratted you out.

        Life is not going back to normal… ever! My own spreadsheet of counties around me and where friends and family live tells me that some areas will peak and recover at different times. That means interstate checkpoints to stem migration from hot areas, and a whole new form of law enforcement in the United States.

        And then there are the spiritual aspects and prophecy. Damn the luck, one day we all woke up and the Tribulation began. It reminds me of when I was a kid walking into a gymnasium of 800 desks to take the state regents exams. It’s all a big scary test.

    • Better Chetter

      Time to expatriate … though spending time with those you love most is top-drawer solution for all, no matter their residence!

      • paul ...

        But it probably won’t work … as the Corona Virus will follows us … and take down all our “space outposts” as easily as it has taken down our Aircraft Carriers … https://www.zerohedge.com/health/frances-lone-aircraft-carrier-cuts-mission-short-over-40-likely-covid-19-cases

        • paul ...

          Remember in our fight against the Martians in the fictional movie “The War of the Worlds” … and how the Martians were defeated by a virus!! … now we are being defeated by a virus … imposed upon us by crazy loony tune psychopaths who likely saw the movie (and belong on another planet)!!!

  8. Howard Doodle

    Terry Meiners
    WWII vet Ernie Micka called so we could wish him a happy 102nd birthday
    Apr 7, 2020

    If your gonna take the anti-malarial drug and zinc pack and you have heart issues, don’t forget the co-q10, Ubiquinol ! Your best insurance, you’ll survive. Google. Costco has the best and cheapest.

    • eddiemd

      Be careful of the over the counter medications from Costco. Read the label. A large portion of the medications are manufactured in China. Reason for the price. Costco will label the country of production; I have seen Germany, Spain, India etc. No label of origin likely means China.

      And again most medications/supplements/vitamins are resourced from India and China and “assembled” here in the USA. The pathways are easy to trace. Even the VA here in the USA gets their generic medications from India and China. I was able to trace metformin and statin meds by the number codes stamped on the tablets.

      Big pharm sold us out to China. Millions of Americans taking meds from China. Cardiac meds in particular. Shame on the CEO’s who sold us out and the politicians who allowed it. They are the real criminals.

  9. Jeff

    If the Fed is committed to buying all our debt, we will ultimately be at their mercy. Shouldn’t we know “specifically” who our Authoritarian
    figures are? I would love to see Trump expose them or even have the treasury default on the interest owed to the Fed. We have a congress with oversight authority but we don’t know “specifically” who owns them? A default on the debt would disrupt the world economies but sooner the better. It will get us to a free market based system with a true democratic political system and no wizard of oz pulling the strings behind the curtain. Ron Paul is correct in that we need to eliminate the Fed/Central Bank.

    • paul ...

      Jeff … we won’t be at their mercy “if we buy gold” that is finally spiking upward as the Fed prints to infinity … https://www.kitco.com/charts/popup/au24hr3day.html … poor Stan … he still doesn’t get it … he keeps shorting gold … to hold infinitely printed fiat paper debt IOU’s!!

  10. Donna Watt

    Greg been following for a long time .However youtube has made people want to go other site we are mostly Bit Chute. It would be nice see you on BIT CHUTE.
    Thanks for all the work you do.

    • Greg Hunter

      Can’t monetize Bit Chute. I cost money to produce this. Nice thought though. Thank you for thinking of USAW!!

  11. ConcAmDad

    And on and on and on it goes

    • Sir Manly Robinson

      You have been more correct than most of the ‘experts’ on this site.

      • Greg Hunter

        No he hasn’t.

    • Rodster

      It seems that way. As of 4:15 pm the Dow is up over 750 points at 23,433.57

      • Rodster

        It would NOT surprise me to see the Dow match it’s all time highs even with all the bad news out there. The entire system is rigged.

  12. Jerry

    The cracks in the global financial system are getting bigger.

    Can gold ever really reach true market value until we get rid of the banking cabal? In my humble opinion they’ll just try and move the debt into a fin tech system using blockchain technology and continue the manipulation game. The corona virus is their cover.

    But we all know what happens to people who use sneaky tricks and clever plans. Like Mike Tyson once said. “ Everybody has a plan until someone bust you in the face” !

    • JC

      Jerry, let’s see what happens April 21.

      Polny goes on to say, “In the last interview, I gave you a time point, and I am going to give it to you again. This time point is incredible, and it is a Biblical calculation. I am waiting to see what happens at this time point because it is supposed to be a truly epic time point, and that time point is April 21, 2020. It’s a time point where the world changes, one system comes to an end or something really obvious happens. So, coming into the month of May, we have this new time point or this new era.”


      • Jerry

        I totally agree. While the globalist are busy slapping us around with the corona virus, our congress is trying rip the second amendment out by the roots.

        Translation. Shut the hell up and get in your house, and by the way, we’ll take that gun before we lock you in. Who needs a FEMA camp?

        • Greg Hunter

          This is a long way from passing both branches of government–a very long way, but it is troubling.

        • Kevin S.

          Some things in that bill are actually good. I and other responsible gun owners do believe people should be tested on firearms safety when buying a gun.

          • Jerry

            Are you sure more top down authority is a good thing? How about they tell you have to get a vaccination or have your finances cut off? There’s no end to the possibilities that this virus opens up for the globalist.

            • Kevin S.

              What is wrong with gun owners knowing how to safely use a gun? Many today do not. In fact more background checks should be done to prevent those who have a mental problem from buying a gun.

              • Occasnltrvlr

                And…when the government doesn’t want Kevin S. to own a gun, the government will create some falsified scenario whereby Kevin S. is declared to suffer from some ailment which will prevent him from owning a gun.


                • Kevin S.

                  When I said mental problems I am not talking about made up ones but real documented ones. DUH!!!

          • Bob

            That will stop gun crime for sure. Murderers need to know about gun safety. This will result in less accidental deaths during murders.

            • Kevin S.

              Sorry but I was not addressing gun crimes involving murder idiot. Your comments have nothing to do with being a responsible gun owner. About 25% of gun owners should not even be allowed to have one.

  13. Davina

    What is coming can’t be stopped. We are well into the fourth turning and it’s inevitable
    the price of gold will eventually reflect the turmoil all around us.

    • Coalburner

      Well, somehow Laura Birx of Melinda and Bill Gates Foundation, popped up on my Linked In which also brought up the good Doctor Birx, and maybe another daughter who interestingly works for another World Health Organization, not a Doctor. Neither of the daughters have near the education as Dr Brix, Masters in some do nothing programs. Dr. Fouchi showed up, and maybe one of his kids. And other interesting names. All professional People we are hearing from a lot. Dr Birx is a veteran and has a powerful resume. As good as her reputation claims.
      I bet they are not happy about Trump looking at cutting tax payer money wasted to WHO as most Americans believe. They have lots of connections.
      I respect that, but WHO is a rat pile that we just happen to have representatives tied up in and spend too much money supporting . We waste a ton of money on a truck load of these Globalist Progs that generally as a group hate us anyway. So I applaud the President for researching these outfits.

  14. Self Exiled

    ”Creative destruction” were the key words to fill in all the blanks [questions] concerning our present situation. It is the usual transfer of wealth [ownership by bail out] of noncorporate businesses [small] into the banking cartel. He who holds the title owns the property. Never buck the fed. If you’ve been wondering how deep the deep state is: keep pulling on the tape measure. ”And never again shall the light of a lamp shine in you, and the voice of bridegroom or a bride never be heard in you again; for your business men were the great and prominent men of the earth, and by your magic spells and poisonous charm all nations were led astray [seduced and deluded].” Revelation 18:23

  15. Wim

    Hi Greg. Loved it. Thanks.

  16. john duffy

    You need to watch this 6 min video!

    The real Bill Gates and the corona virus:


    • JC

      john, Martin Armstrong on Bill Gates:

      Bill Gates is the single greatest threat to your future. His entire agenda is to outlaw all gatherings until you are vaccinated and chipped so they know you are vaccinated. This man is conspiring to take down Western culture…


      • Diane

        Absolutely right JC.
        Bill Gates is enemy #1

      • paul ...

        “Herd Immunity” requires that 82% of the population build up anti-bodies to the Corona Virus … and herd immunity will be the only way to finally stop the virus from spreading (there are indications a vaccine alone will not provide the required herd immunity)!! … https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEubPR36pzk&feature=emb_rel_end

        • Ray

          Hi Paul,
          I’m not too sure if there is such a thing as “herd immunity”.
          If there is, why do people still catch and get sick from the common cold?
          Everyone has had it many times, right?
          Same thing for influenza……where is the so called herd immunity there?
          To me…..and no offence Paul……this herd immunity thing is for….well…..The Sheeple……in their barnyards.
          Happy Easter mate.
          Ray, Canberra, Lap Dog Nation.

    • Fatima message

      Right on!
      The world is living in the CURSE of Fatima. Communists took over the church to STOP the consecration of Russia. The world was given 100 years by God (from The year 1917) to get this consecration done. Lucia, the seer at Fatima, warmed that If the consecration was not done Communism would take over the entire world. The UN is a communist organization as is the European Union. China is a Communist state. They are striving for a one world government, a one world religion. There is no such thing as coincidence. Hilary was supposed to be President in 2017. Bergogilo is now Pope Francis who hates the very mention of Fatima. Vatican II was constructed to form a one world religion with ideas of indifferentism, Ecumenism, all are going to go to Heaven. The “Deep State” should be called by its real name: Communism! Mankind is dwelling in the Tribulation/Chastisement . The Church must appear to suffer and die as Christ did. The Catholic Church is no longer Catholic. As prophesied at La Salette, Rome (The Vatican) would become the seat of antichrist.
      Greg, please modify your statement about God, Our Lord Jesus Christ, the Holy Spirit being in control. God gave mankind dominion over the earth. Yes, God helps those who ask it of Him. But He is not responsible for the evil that has taken over this planet. Each of us still possess free will over our actions! The apparitions of Our Lady clearly state that Our Lord is very angry about our times. The apparitions clearly state how He will step in to destroy the evil of our times. The “Miracle of the Sun” At Fatima is a depiction of a micro nova from our sun that will strike the earth. As stated in 2nd Peter chapter 3, the Day of the Lord will be an event that will melt the elements To destroy evil. Our Lord will protect His elect as stated in Matthew chapter 24. God bless!

  17. Rob

    I love Craig’s folksy way of explaining the most complex of issues facing us.
    I wonder if precious metal shares or Index Funds I have bought on electronic brokerages like Firstrade or Scottrade will be settled in worthless cash someday. I had heard one doesn’t actually own the shares anymore than they own the gold and silver on GLD and SLV.

  18. Blue Dog

    I still think we’re going to see the collapse of the dollar on world markets. Other countries are using the dollar less and less for world trade. Especially oil. About half of all the dollars in existence are overseas. According to a Zerohedge article from 2013 or so, 1/15 of all the overseas dollars are in the hands of individual investors in Argentina alone. All we need are investors in one country to lose confidence in the dollar and dump them. I think that will start a tidal wave of dollar dumping and hyperinflation.
    I think what saved the dollar from hyperinflation in the past was the collapse of money velocity. But that could easily increase.
    Jim Willie from the golden-jackass.com claims that eventually we’ll see $5000 gold and $300 silver partly because the price has been artificially suppressed for years.

    • JC

      Blue Dog, “dump the dollars” but for what?

      • paul ...

        For what?? … don’t you buy gold and silver JC???

        • JC

          paul… I’m not talking about me.

  19. Fatima message

    Craig’s beliefs are based on his belief that the world will come back together after this virus panic. Hopefully that will come about. But what if this is just the beginning of sorrows?

  20. eddiemd

    Yes. He calls us friends. Imagine that. Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Wonderful Counselor. Almighty God. Prince of Peace. The King of Israel, The Great I Am. The Passover Lamb Who shed His Blood for us Loves us so much it is beyond our understanding.

    Isaiah 53…the Revealed Messiah…Jesus Christ of Nazareth!

    John 15:15-17

    15 No longer do I call you servants, for a servant does not know what his master is doing; but I have called you friends, for all things that I heard from My Father I have made known to you. 16 You did not choose Me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit, and that your fruit should remain, that whatever you ask the Father in My name He may give you. 17 These things I command you, that you love one another.

    He chooses us. He is pouring out His Spirit now upon the nations! Hear what the Spirit says to you! He is the God of goodness. But He is also the God of justice and wrath! He will not overlook sin. He is a Holy God! Repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ!


    • eddiemd

      John 18:1-7

      18 When Jesus had spoken these words, He went out with His disciples over the Brook Kidron, where there was a garden, which He and His disciples entered. 2 And Judas, who betrayed Him, also knew the place; for Jesus often met there with His disciples. 3 Then Judas, having received a detachment of troops, and officers from the chief priests and Pharisees, came there with lanterns, torches, and weapons. 4 Jesus therefore, knowing all things that would come upon Him, went forward and said to them, “Whom are you seeking?”
      5 They answered Him, “Jesus of Nazareth.”
      Jesus said to them, “I am He.” And Judas, who betrayed Him, also stood with them. 6 Now when He said to them, “I am He,” they drew back and fell to the ground.
      7 Then He asked them again, “Whom are you seeking?”
      And they said, “Jesus of Nazareth.”

      Whom are you seeking? And Jesus said to them…”I am He”. They drew back and fell to the ground. Imagine that! The great I Am. His spoken Word is so powerful that that it knocked over the men who came to take. He sent His Word and healed our disease! Jehovah-Rapha! If only I can touch the hem of His garment, I will be healed! He healed all who come to Him! And He is still doing it today!

      He is the Risen One. He does not change! The Alpha and the Omega! Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Glory to the King of Kings!

      • SolarGuy


  21. Russ+3

    Thatnks Greg. Craig Hemke is always good to hear. In the coming months and years some folks will be very glad they listened … and others will not.

  22. eddiemd

    Our eyes are upon You! Jesus Christ of Nazareth! The Lord our Shield! The battle belongs to the Lord!

    2 Chronicles 20:1-15
    20 It happened after this that the people of Moab with the people of Ammon, and others with them besides the Ammonites, came to battle against Jehoshaphat. 2 Then some came and told Jehoshaphat, saying, “A great multitude is coming against you from beyond the sea, from Syria; and they are in Hazazon Tamar” (which is En Gedi). 3 And Jehoshaphat feared, and set himself to seek the Lord, and proclaimed a fast throughout all Judah. 4 So Judah gathered together to ask help from the Lord; and from all the cities of Judah they came to seek the Lord.

    5 Then Jehoshaphat stood in the assembly of Judah and Jerusalem, in the house of the Lord, before the new court, 6 and said: “O Lord God of our fathers, are You not God in heaven, and do You not rule over all the kingdoms of the nations, and in Your hand is there not power and might, so that no one is able to withstand You? 7 Are You not our God, who drove out the inhabitants of this land before Your people Israel, and gave it to the descendants of Abraham Your friend forever? 8 And they dwell in it, and have built You a sanctuary in it for Your name, saying, 9 ‘If disaster comes upon us—sword, judgment, pestilence, or famine—we will stand before this temple and in Your presence (for Your name is in this temple), and cry out to You in our affliction, and You will hear and save.’ 10 And now, here are the people of Ammon, Moab, and Mount Seir—whom You would not let Israel invade when they came out of the land of Egypt, but they turned from them and did not destroy them— 11 here they are, rewarding us by coming to throw us out of Your possession which You have given us to inherit. 12 O our God, will You not judge them? For we have no power against this great multitude that is coming against us; nor do we know what to do, but our eyes are upon You.”

    13 Now all Judah, with their little ones, their wives, and their children, stood before the Lord.

    14 Then the Spirit of the Lord came upon Jahaziel the son of Zechariah, the son of Benaiah, the son of Jeiel, the son of Mattaniah, a Levite of the sons of Asaph, in the midst of the assembly. 15 And he said, “Listen, all you of Judah and you inhabitants of Jerusalem, and you, King Jehoshaphat! Thus says the Lord to you: ‘Do not be afraid nor dismayed because of this great multitude, for the battle is not yours, but God’s.


  23. Stan

    Hey Paul: Can I buy an ounce of Gold on ebay for $1650 and sell it to you for $10,000 since you think it is worth at least that much?

    • Greg Hunter

      This is a pure stupid troll type comment, especially for someone who was touting DB stock at $9 – $11 per share in the past months. DB is now sitting at $6.54 on a big up day on the S&P.

      • Stan

        Greg: Paul is always telling us how Gold is worth 17k+ per ounce or some other absurd figure. Well, if he truly believes that then he should be willing to pay 17k per ounce now.

        • Greg Hunter

          Paul is talking about the Debt clock that has all sorts of metrics on it including gold and silver ration relative to dollar creation: https://usdebtclock.org/ Not a far out concept.

    • paul ...

      Sorry Stan … I was saving $10,000 to buy Deutsche Bank for pennies (which I was then planning to sell to you) … but gold being so cheap at $1650 I couldn’t control myself … and I blew it all … buying another 6 ounces of gold!!!

      • paul ...

        Stan … I figured with gold really being worth $18,000 dollars per ounce … I could turn my $10,000 (fake fiat dollars) into $108,000 (thousand fake fiat dollars) and thus make more then 10X times my money “over time” (where time is on my side) buying options like you “with time limitations” only benefits the banksters and brokers!!!

        • paul ...

          Actually Stan with the Fed printing Trillions to throw into the Stock Market every week to keep it up for the Elite … I don’t see any reason why gold can’t soon be at the $50,000 fake fiat dollars per ounce level that Jim Sinclair predicted (very very soon) … so the gold coin I bought at $1650 could rise by 30X times (without any counter-party risk)!!

    • Mike R

      Hey wrong way stan. Gold is at $1734. Up $50 today. Your shorts are getting absolutely crushed.
      Prepare for more financial pain.

      • Stan

        Mike R: I was shorting more gold today. The Gold bubble is on the verge of popping – remember QE has always been Gold negative. QE-4 will be the same. You have been warned.

        • Greg Hunter

          Give it a rest. You have bee shorting gold sins $1,200 – $1,300 and look how you have done.

        • paul ...

          All right Stan … I’m going to take you by the hand and walk you through this next chart … https://www.usagold.com/cpmforum/wp-content/uploads/financialstressgold-3-768×521.png … notice how the gold-bugs “knew something was coming” when they bought gold at $300, then $400, then $500, then $600, then $700, then $800 … and then at $850 it was “obvious to all” and the crisis hit creating a financial stress spike … then from that “obvious to all” financial stress point … gold doubled to $1700 … now fast forward to today … we are now at an “obvious to all” financial stress crisis point (and gold is currently at $1650) … so from this financial stress crisis point gold will likely do what it did in 2009 … and double from here to $3300 … so if you are intent on shorting gold Stan … why not wait for it to at least get to $3300 fake fiat debt IOU dollars per ounce!!!

        • Mike R

          Good stan. Your losses continue to be my gains.

  24. Richard Foltak


    Thanks for the wonderful information you have provided to the public over the years. Unfortunately, the financial meltdown is not going to be the biggest problem facing America. Our entire food distribution network is in complete disarray. What food we have is not making it to those in need. Either it is not being picked, packaged, shipped or bought from the right places. Welcome to Just In Time Inventory management Kryptonite. System can’t handle sharp demand or supply challenges.

    In the end, consumers, those who need to eat… are going to face extremely high priced food and/or shortages. We can all make a difference by taking on some of the strain off the food supply chain by growing our own food. But, given the typical American foolishness, much of America has made growing their own food illegal on their own properties. Between HOAs, local municipalities, and various bylaws out there, homeowners and/or property owners are not allowed to grow non-standard landscaping on their own property. I am trying to get a petition going with the WhiteHouse to allow Victory Gardens in the USA. Basically, remove all the local laws and boilerplate HOA rules that prevent gardens to grow in America. Hope you can help get the word out:


  25. pat

    Quick, someone access Bernie sanders offshore bank account, as it appears the clintons have cried ‘uncle’ and paid him off to drop out of the Commicrat machine! Bernie folded like a cheap umbrella all of a sudden against biden? Looks like berni supporters may have been played all along! Suckers! Now all of you bernieites go on a anti Joe rant on your cell phones and social media.
    Yesterday I mentioned how ‘Doctor’ Birx wants to use an UNRELIABLE TEST (Elisha) for the CHINA VIRUS,. Now it turns out her hands are in Bill and melinda gates’ pocket looking for money back! Pretty soon the ‘Tree of Liberty’ will be watered if the PTB don’t put the brakes on this farce in the USA, or as it should be called, AMERICA!
    Your’s In Christ, Pat

  26. Rodger Pape

    Craig was great!! My favorite guest. Finally, someone explained why the dollar “would not” collapse. I was always wondering what currency would go up. His analogy that all currencies are collapsing together finally made sense to me. This was probably the biggest thing I got from this video. Not saying the dollar will not go down..but if it does, just would mean it’s going down faster than the others.

  27. Grosse Pointe

    When its comes to forecasting I will stay with Charles Nenner and Martin Armstrong
    The Gold guys are always wrong every time.
    Realistically interest rates should be 20% plus there is so much Risk already in society people out of work uncertainty about your job come on!
    Armstrong said the Gold would rise with the Dollar

  28. paul ...

    Very bizarre … the markets are up … while put and call volume drops??? … it’s “not human” … some “alien force” is driving this market!! … https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/morgan-stanley-spots-something-very-strange-about-rally

    • paul ...

      And this “alien” seems to be intent on bailing out the top 1 percent who own stocks!!

  29. H. Craig Bradley



    Gold is a terrible short term or even intermediate term “investment”. Its highly volatile, and it pays no dividends. In fact, if you own gold through GLD ( a popular ETF ), then any gold sales by this fund are apportioned amongst its shareholders according to the IRS rules as a “Pass-Through Trust”. Translation, even if you never trade a share, you can be assessed capital gains taxes at the Collectible Tax rate of a flat 28%. ( Add state income taxes on top of that, as well ). So, gold is no deal in a volatile market for sure.

    Physical gold in your “hot little hands” (manos) can be a good security blanket and a good hedge for the long term, as well. Just don’t trade it, simply hold it forever. It will fluctuate greatly over the short term but its a good hedge with no counterparty risks. Gold has a place but you need to know its limitations and properties to fully capitalize on gold and realize its many advantages. Most just waste their cash and don’t profit in the long term because they are “weak hands” as they say. (Fools Gold ). The smart investors buy on the cheap from the retail gold buyers who buy high and sell low, as in everything else, the smart money usually wins.

    • Greg Hunter

      You simply do not know what you are talking about.

      • H. Craig Bradley

        I qualified my assertion that its a poor short term investment Unless you are a professional trader. Most retail investors are not such. So, for the many, its a long term hold or hedge but a poor short term investment. So far, my gold has made money but I had to wait for six years for affirmation. You really don’t know unless you own it and unless you are a trader. Admittedly, I am not a trader. Within those boundaries my experience has been positive. What else really counts, Greg?

        • Greg Hunter

          You do not understand the difference between a core asset and a trading position. Gold is a risk mitigatory.

    • paul ...

      H … you are right about Gold ETF’s being dangerous … physical gold is safe money … money “that is not supposed to be spent” or traded … but money “keeps your saved wealth fixed and secure from the ravages of bankster induced monetary expansion” … for yourself … and for generations to come!!

  30. paul ...

    Well said … “The American people need to know that the Demon-rats besides the Repugnant-ones are there for them … in their time of great greed”!!! … https://www.zerohedge.com/political/pelosi-schumer-want-carve-out-their-own-priorities-top-trumps-250b-emergency-virus-aid

  31. paul ...

    Look at the big picture as deaths approach 100,000 … https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1245475290739953664/D9tiqmCP?format=jpg&name=600×314 … notice how nothing is happening in Russia … all they did was declare that anyone spreading the virus (will get 5 years in prison) if it leads to a Corona Virus death … funny … remember how we saw a face on Mars … well when I was looking at the virus data over the US … I saw a “galloping dog” running toward “a poodle” over Europe … and a “scared rabbit” over China!!!

    • eddiemd

      I went to a hospice to visit a friend last night in central Phoenix a city block over from the major medical center Saint Joseph’s Hospital and Medcen. I decided to check out the set up at the ER to see what they have set up for triage. I expected to see some military GP medium tents or along those lines.

      They have two farmer market 10×10 type tents in the ambulance driveway. No people to be seen except a lone Phoenix PD man standing out front. No ambulances to be seen. No fire trucks. No business to be seen. This was 8pm which is usually the busiest time.

      I trained at this hospital many years ago. Even on a slow night there are always people and ambulances. Unusually quiet.

      The tents in my opinion were inadequate to address the “pandemic”. I would have expected larger tents and facilities outside the hospital to hold patients as needed. Not happening.

      The hospice was very lax. No staff wearing masks and they only measured my temp with an ear thermometer. I guess there are no worries since every patient is there to die anyways.

      Pancreatic cancer is bad news especially when discovered in stage IV.

    • paul ...

      “They” deleted” the picture … here is another “interactive” map … it doesn’t show the dog, poodle, rabbit, etc. but does show how Russia did what was necessary to prevent the virus from spreading over there … https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/national-international/map-watch-the-coronavirus-cases-spread-across-the-world/2303276/

  32. Howard Doodle

    5G in your future , coming to all the lamppost’s in your neighborhood!
    Mankind is like a bullet shot, careening and ricocheting. On and off, disaster after disaster. When all else fails, Pray. Your in the fox hole! Maybe it’s time the smart Alex’s consult the directions! Better yet, the manual?
    For what seems to be God’s foolishness is wiser than human wisdom, and what seems to be God’s weakness is stronger than human strength. ◄ 1 Corinthians 1:25 ►
    Good News Translation

  33. Hazardous Duke

    Can anyone point me to a history book or web page that explores how local, county and other taxing entities acted in the “First” Depression regarding property taxes? This is the one thing I worry about, besides hot water, in the coming depression. We “own” our ranch outright except for the taxes. I worry that they’ll go so high no one can pay before the bottom falls out of that market.

    • lightning

      Hazardous Duke,
      I’m 100% with you on this. The limit on your taxes owed may not even be the reposession of the property itself. In the mortgage crisis, the banks altered the liability limit from being “just” the house itself being the limit of not paying your mortgage to the new norm giving them the ability to go after all your other assets (IRA’s, 401K, garnish wages , etc).

      I do not know if that applies to our property taxes but it wouldn’t surprise me given the evil ways of the finance industry.
      If so, they could tax you anything the think is necessary to extract your wealth.

      On top of that (as if thats not enough) , imagine if there are capital controls, and maybe they outlawed PM’s and cash, what ability do you have to pay these so called “Fair” taxes.?

      • Hazardous Duke

        Never underestimate a wounded government flailing around looking for anything resembling a new infusion of wealth. Given the collusion going on between the county taxing authority and real estate pushers in our area we could be in for a hard time until we find some leverage to make them leave us alone. The taxing bodies were sooooo looking forward to a much higher tax base once they got rid of us “peons” out here via higher taxes until this CV-19 shutdown hit. I don’t see that dream dying very easily. I think there will be a lot of people continuing to want to escape the cities and move out to our rural area but there will be some bankruptcies to take over as those too deep into debt are forced to sell their properties. Just my suspicion, though. We could simply take a nose dive into the abyss and the county tax people will have to find other taxes to make up for it all. Regardless of how “fair” they want to appear to be taxing authorities are never your friend.

  34. MP Chapman

    Greg, thanks for having the best people on and interviewing them and letting them talk. It is all so educational, and each one has a slightly different take while most have the same thematic outcome: dollar debasement/ hyperinflation/accumulate gold and silver. Would you try to get Grant Williams to give you 30 minutes? He is formerly with Real Vision, and has interviewed many top people around the world about gold/silver/dollar stocks/bonds. He is a wealth of information from all his interviews. Also, would you share your PO Box address for donations, as I would like to contribute. Thanks again so much!

    • Greg Hunter

      Thanks MP. You can find all the information for snail mail and PayPal donations here: https://usawatchdog.com/donations/ Scroll down to the bottom of the page for snail mail. Thanks again MP.

  35. Self Exiled

    How much time must we suffer in the sand storm;
    Oh Lord?
    Staying Alive Oh Lord! For You.
    Oh Lord! For You.
    Thou Art Loves Theme Song; Love Unlimited!

    And in the end, I will ride that white horse
    like the wind. Like the wind.
    Like a fever in the night
    I will burn bright for YOU!

    Try me, I know We can make it.
    Thou Art my Guardian! Thou Art my Galaxy.

  36. Coalburner

    Tell us more Davina, we know about the Fourth Turning!

  37. Not So Free

    Been away. Now back. No internet. THREE MONTHS. AAAAGH
    Got a lot of catching up to do.
    Keep up the good work,

  38. Justn Observer

    Greg, Interesting interview… so much going on …many plates being spun …something has to drop before it’s over. Will post this – explain how it ties will subsequent posts as thing sort out..
    Who was Phillip Haney, Why was he murdered? Was he a modern day Thomas Oloughlin?

  39. JN

    Hi Greg! I was thinking about something so I did a little research. I heard a comment that we don’t have and never have had a vaccine for the 1st SARS virus. Why? Everyone talks about how we ‘should have been prepared’ for this pandemic. In 2003, the previous SARS virus hit. There was much talk of a vaccine at the time and some trials in mice and other animals, but no trials in humans, except it is reported that China did create a vaccine and vaccinated part of their population. The CDC has certainly had the time and funding. Everyone states that a pandemic was inevitable…if so, why did the CDC not persist with the creation of a human vaccine as there have been other coronaviruses since 2003? That was 17 years ago! https://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=25187

    The following article seems to suggest that a vaccine was developed and shelved. Why are we not hearing more about that vaccine? In the article, Hatchet (CEO of Cepi) states, “You don’t want to wait until you’re in a situation where you know you need a vaccine to begin making one.” https://www.theguardian.com/science/2020/jan/24/lessons-from-sars-outbreak-help-in-race-for-coronavirus-vaccine

  40. Todd J

    If the economy doesn’t collapse from this pandemic, then it will never collapse and the Greg Hunters, Gerald Celentes, and Peter Schiffs of the world were wrong for the past decade and should close shop (i.e., discredited)

    • JC

      Wow Todd J, you’re a genius, thanks for sharing your insight and wisdom. Why don’t you start your own free site?

  41. Jim Moore

    The Pentagon late on Wednesday said an ABC News report that said a military intelligence unit wrote a report on the coronavirus in November is not accurate
    Breitbart – APRIL 9, 2020
    Gina and her ilk are desperate!

  42. pat

    Hazardous duke, I live in TAX Jersey, next to california we have some of the highest taxes in AMERICA. The ‘rich wall streeters’ that live in this state keep it like that, to keep the ‘middle class working people’ enslaved by having to have 2 or more jobs to ‘make it’ in TAX Jersey. What can you expect from the type of Gov’ners they constantly elect? Ex Goldman Sachs Murphy is a prime example. He’s constantly mouthing off how TAX Jersey is such a great state, first/ best in this and that. Telling the ‘working class’ “you have first class hospitals and doctors in this state.” NOTHING could be further from the truth! Murphy himself speaks out of the side of his mouth, as right after he made this statement the following week he went OUT OF STATE for ‘HIS’ own medical surgery!! If a doctor is highly qualified in their field they are ‘normally’ given ‘hospital privileges’ to operate/practice at a hospital that is’nt their normal location. Eddiemd can speak to this.

    As for land taxes, I have put half the farm into forestry by planting hardwoods, maple, oak, etc in portions to create forests. Also planting food crops such as hazelnuts which are rare and in demand. Look into your state’s ‘forestry tax abatement’ rules.

    Your’s In Christ, Pat

    • eddiemd

      First you need to be licensed in the particular state you wish to practice in. Some states have more requirements than others to get licensed. For example, Texas required a jurisprudence examination as part of licensing.

      Typically you have to apply for “privileges” at a particular hospital. You have to go through the credentialing committee at the hospital and be approved. Board certification, any history of malpractice, etc are evaluated. Depending on your specialty, you have to list what particular practice you wish to perform, i.e. internal medicine problems like cardiology, endocrine, GI, etc and then which procedures you are competent to perform (central lines, skin biopsy, interpret EKG, etc.

      Usually I have been affiliated with one or two particular hospitals. At one time I worked for John C Lincoln so I had privileges at their two hospitals here in Phoenix. Surgeons may be different. Hand surgeons here in Phoenix are in short supply and are at almost every hospital in the county.

      It wouldn’t be likely for someone in Phoenix to have privileges at the hospital in Flagstaff. If you worked for Honor Health or Banner here in Maricopa County then you could have privileges at all their hospitals in the county or perhaps even in the state. Depends on the healthcare organization in these situations. Credentialed at one hospital within their system extends to all the hospitals owned by them, probably including hospitals in other states.

      In an emergency situation a physician can get credentialed very quickly. Locum Tenens agencies can get you credentialed in less than a week in many places. I always have the paperwork ready as needed just in case. Like on the Navajo rez.

      • pat

        EddieMD, My point was that NJ gov’nr Murphy went out of state for his care; while he’s telling taxpayers NJ has the best medical care in the Country.

        I lived on Richland St in PHX for a few years before selling that house and moving up to CC. Used to go to the dump shooting with friends back in the day. Rode my horses down from CC, spent lots of time on Lake P too.

        Your’s In Christ, Pat

  43. Jerry

    More Fed pumping.

    This is all free, right?

    • JC

      Jerry, you know the song.
      “Money for nothing and your chicks for free… “

  44. notyourpatsy

    Would folks who use cellphones put these messages out there on Twitter, so it circulates enough so that even President Trump hears/sees it being something important to the American people.

    “President Trump, why not use the $400 BILLION DOLLARS that WE, the American people, DO NOT WANT being ‘spent’/ ‘given’ to the ‘World PRC Health Organization’, towards giving ‘Homeless Veterans’ an apartment paid for for a full year? It could be a separate outreach program from the VA. It could have drug/alcohol treatment/ counseling included as a condition. There should not be ONE HOMELESS VETERAN on your watch! Thank You the American People.

  45. notyourpatsy

    Another Twitter storm could be for American Farmers.

    “President Trump, could you please use the $400 BILLION DOLLARS wasted on the ‘World PRC Health Organization’, instead send checks to ONLY Family farms that have been devastated by ‘Corporate Farming’ since Jimmy Carter’s Presidency. Bring back stabilty to farming FAMILIES that can, and do, provide food for their fellow Americans. Stop exporting food so that more people can afford to eat healthy on their budgets. Thank You the American People

  46. Chip

    Greg, For three straight weeks there have been back to back to back record initial unemployment claims. On each of those days the markets have gone up significantly. I’ve been thinking how that can be. And FINALLY it came to me, the multi-national corporations, big corporate banks, and the mega financial sector are all CHEERING for the demise of US small businesses and the middle class. They are loving the results they are getting from this FAKE pandemic. Would love to hear your thoughts on this in the WNW or an email reply. Thanks for what you continue to do. Be a voice of truth… Chip

  47. notyourpatsy

    Is it just me or does ‘dr’ Birx the China Virus mouthpiece remind anyone else of a certain politician? Seems to me she is a ‘blond sister ‘from california of one Nancy Polosi!!! Her screeching voice makes me mute the tv whenever I hear her voice.

    Maybe President Trump will purge more WH employees from the clinto/obama era to reduce ‘leaks’ and screwups in President Trump’s WH.

    • eddiemd

      She was a COL in the Army. Working for NIH and Ft Detrick. She was on the inside. Probably went to Command and Staff college along the way. Company woman. Which company is unknown. Maybe even the Consolidated Idiot Agency, She is well vetted to get to be where she is.

      Not so sure about Fauci. He is the editor of Harrison’s Principles of Internal Medicine. The best book on internal medicine that is out there. He was the face of HIV back in the 1990’s when the first wave of medications came out (AZT). He is an east coast physician. Things are done differently in Boston and New York. I went to med school 92-96 in Boston and it was a different vibe compared to Arizona, Texas, and Florida. More formal and I would say more professional.

      The See Eye Ay used to recruit on Fort Bragg at the White House. Probably still do. I was on Bragg 82-83, 90-91 and 97-2000.

      • notyourpatsy

        EddieMD, been to SeeYaAye, Fumbling Bumbling Idiots, and Peebegon during my mil career too. 1990-2005 McDillicutty.
        Probably would enjoy a beer with you and Greg if things were different.
        I agree, too many ‘company men’ still working for the ‘other side’.

  48. Galaxy 500

    Gold and Silver will do what any other commodities that have been freed of artificial interference. They will sky rocket past their fair market value then come back down fair market… Unless we have a total market break down and then it keeps going up and up until we reach a new equilibrium.

  49. John

    Henke said COMEX defaulted on 3/24/2020 when people asked for gold and were told to go away. I’d like to see proof of that event. His exact words: https://youtu.be/wSpJUADU5vE?t=342

  50. Jose Sanchez Gallardo

    The problem with unregulated capitalism is that companies hire low wage workers and then sell things expensive and expect people to buy them, and that’s the fallacy of unregulated capitalism, to pay people as little as possible, sell things for as much as possible and expect a good outcome.

    We can’t just let economic struggle and supply and demand relativism guide our economy, we need regulations, we need fair wages, reasonable prices for products we buy at stores and we need to plan and guide our economy, unless your comfortable working for an unlivable wage, and paying high price for goods especially in times of disaster, and having economic instabilities.

    If people need it they are going to try to get it, even if they can’t afford it, and that’s one of the most lethal things that can happen to an economy, people should never be unable to afford necessities, but since so many people can’t afford necessities they use loans and credit cards and all kinds of ways to obtain their necessities and all this appeals to the capitalists because if people buy your products there is no incentive to lower prices even if the people who buy things are using debt money they don’t really have and can’t pay back.

    And it’s these people who go to these lengths that are rigging the supply and demand concept and preventing prices from dropping. And wages are low and that’s because there is always those people who is willing to work for free almost that ruins it for everyone, if you ask for more pay they don’t hire you, and this is how capitalism ensures low wages, because capitalists are always seeking people to work for a minimal wage and the almost always find them, and teenagers who are desperate for jobs are a large part of those who take up bad paying jobs, so wants the incentive to increase wages?

    This is not to say capitalism can’t work, it just needs to be regulated and be kept under control by a higher authority, leave it alone capitalism is monetary anarchism, it’s economic chaos, and there cant be economic justice without economic laws/regulations.

    Lawlessness causes injustice and that same concept applies to economics.

  51. Occasnltrvlr

    If silver ever goes above $22 I’ll eat my hat.

    • Greg Hunter

      Have you checked APMEX? That’s what dealers mare selling Ag for. Hope you are hungry for hat.

      • Occasnltrvlr

        Several years ago, “Turd Ferguson” stated on his site that if silver ever dropped below $22/oz., he’d eat his (big, yellow foam) hat. It did, and he made a video of him faux-eating the hat.

        And, I haven’t been able to sell silver for over $22/oz. since that day, today included.

  52. Paul Thompson

    Just as a suggestion. It would be good for you to interview Ronan Manly from Bullionstar so his recent research on how the LBMA benchmark is set can be more widely known. Read the fascinating story here https://www.bullionstar.com/blogs/ronan-manly/lbma-gold-price-benchmark-ignores-market-conditions-thus-short-changing-investors/

    The title is ‘LBMA Gold Price benchmarks ignoring market conditions, short-changing investors. It’s a real eye opener that everyone needs to read or hear.


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