Does the Indefinite Detention Bill Foretell Future?

National Defense Authorization Act - Indefinite Detention Bill Senate Bill 1867By Greg Hunter’s USAWatchdog.com 

The recent passage of the National Defense Authorization Act (Senate Bill 1867), otherwise known as the “Indefinite Detention Bill,” should scare the heck out of anyone who loves the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights.  This bill effectively hands over control to the military to arrest, torture and even kill terrorists on American soil.  It also allows the military to hold suspected terrorists indefinitely without a trial or due process.  This applies to both non-citizens and citizens of the United States!  With this bill, you are not innocent until proven guilty.  You are guilty until proven innocent, and you may never get a trial to defend yourself.  There is surprisingly little written in the mainstream media about this Senate bill that passed 93 to 7 at the end of November.

Last week, Wired.com posted a compelling article on the “Indefinite Detention” debacle.  It said in part, “So despite the Sixth Amendment’s guarantee of a right to trial, the Senate bill would let the government lock up any citizen it swears is a terrorist, without the burden of proving its case to an independent judge, and for the lifespan of an amorphous war that conceivably will never end. And because the Senate is using the bill that authorizes funding for the military as its vehicle for this dramatic constitutional claim, it’s pretty likely to pass.

It would be one thing if the military was clamoring for the authority to become the nation’s jailer. But to the contrary: Defense Secretary Leon Panetta opposes the maneuver. So does CIA Director David Petraeus, who usually commands deference from senators in both parties. Pretty much every security official has lined up against the Senate detention provisions, from Director of National Intelligence James Clapper to FBI Director Robert Mueller, who worry that they’ll get in the way of FBI investigations of domestic terrorists. President Obama has promised to veto the bill.”  (The links in the preceding two paragraphs are impressive and need to be read.)  (Click here to read the complete Wired.com post.)

My question is who decides who is a terrorist, and who checks to make sure the charges are valid?

The Senate bill must now be reconciled with a House-passed version (H.R.1540).  If this bill gets through the House of Representatives in the form it is now, and is signed by the President, the military will answer to no one.  The only hope of short circuiting this bill is for the House to change it radically in the reconciliation process.  I think arch conservatives and arch liberals should unite and radically change this legislation to follow the Constitution instead of gutting it.  You think that can’t happen?  Senators Rand Paul and Al Franken are on the same page on this issue, and that represents both extremes of the political spectrum.  Every American, no matter the party, should be terrified by this legislation whether you are Democrat, Republican or Independent.

My other big concern is if 93 Senators from both parties voted for this unconstitutional legislation, what do these folks see coming?  What future scanario do they all see?  Billionaire investor George Soros is not looking at a rosy future from his vantage point.  He see’s global financial calamity coming.  He recently said, “The global financial system is in a “self-reinforcing process of disintegration. . . .The consequences could be quite disastrous.”  (Click here for more on Soros.)

I close with a video below featuring Senator Rand Paul arguing in front of the Senate to strike the indefinite detention provision from the bill.  The second part of the video features Libertarian and Constitutional expert, Judge Andrew Napolitano, discussing the dangers of enacting this bill (in its present form) into law.

Comments
  1. Ken

    There is no way this can end well.

    We keep thinking (hoping) that at some point sanity will assert itself, yet it never does. Instead we are treated to seemingly one crazy law after another.

    As things get crazy, crazier people will get power, until the final denouement of our story has us all living in a straightjacket society; scared, paranoid, neurotic, and desperate for what we had just a few years before.

    -Ken

  2. MasterLuke

    This needs to get vetoed.

    • Greg

      I hope the House alters it dramatically. Thank you Luke.

      Greg

      • Sarah

        Wait I’m lost .. I know .. I should read a whole LOT more … but isn’t the House filled with the Republicans who WANT this? And would the President sign this? Isn’t this just more of what Bush and Cheney wanted or am I just lumping things into certain obvious baskets of bi-partisanship. I will definitely sign the petition but I am surprised to think the House would defeat this. People like Eric Cantor are as paranoid and profit minded and controlling as Cheney was.

        • Very Concerned Citizen

          Really, I donot distinquish the difference between the two political parties. I think Obama is just an Republican in Democrat clothing. What goes on behind the walls in the house stays in the house and we will never know nothing til it is too late. Why do you think they allow illegals into our country? They could be planning on using them under the new military to imprison and guard us.(I know I sound paranoid) So much for winning the hearts and mind of the enemy. The Enemy is them who we elected. Terror is our own elected officials.. I suspect that they created the environment we all are living in now. May God help us all against the greed of those who seek power and wealth.

          • Wake up

            If you are waiting for “God” to save you, then you aren’t willing to fight for your right to live. God aint going to do shit and if you are “hoping” some “God” will, well be prepared to be waiting forever. We decide our own fate.

        • TED

          Sarah:

          I find that the more I read the more I realize just how much MORE there is to read. The fact that you are spending some time reading up on these things is superb. On the subject of bi-partisanship keep in mind that it is just a ruse. The myth of 2 different parties is simply used to divide the American people so that we aren’t united against the politicians. There is no real difference between the 2 parties. We have seen time and time again that the politicians on both “sides” make a big show of how they are supposedly dedicated to some kind of “principles” but in the end they vote for terrible legislation that continues to chip away at the constitutional rights of the people. It’s like the 2 parties have a few stooges playing a giant game of ping pong out in the public eye to keep the masses distracted while the rest of them (from BOTH parties) are hidden away in the back rooms cutting dirty deals. Once the ping pong game is over the masses will have forgotten about whatever the issue was and the few of us who realize that game was just a distraction will learn about what really happened from alternative news sources like this website.

        • John

          Yes, you need to read some more and wake up to the globalist’s plan to break down America. It is not a Republican, Democratic difference, both parties are owned by these people. Obama included, search “prolonged detention rachel maddow” in youtube.com and you will see Obama demanding this kind of legislation 11 months ago. Watch the movie THRIVE on youtube.com, go to infowars.com. Please wake up and spread the word, and prepare yourself. If we don’t, we will no longer be able to have a debate over whether the dems or reps. or right. we will be called terrorists for arguing against the govt.

      • Rick

        Your hope for change didn’t work out any better than the idiots that voted for Hope & Change..this Chicago Crime Boy has implemented this and decimated our Bill of Rights. The Revolution starts now.

    • Sarah Allen

      Please voice this concern at the White House Petition to President Obama. 25,000 signatures are needed. Please pass and share the picture with the link. Thank you to the 620 signers already :)
      http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=306912536006005&set=t.100000617827824&type=1&theater

    • Rick

      Just who the hell do you think will veto it? Both the senate & house Career criminal bastards voted it in!

  3. Hoppe

    THIS is why our country’s founders wrote the second amendment, and why I am praying for Ron Paul and Rand…. I pray for many other political leaders as well – just a different prayer.

  4. Edward Ulysses Cate

    They only give the appearance of opposing the detention bill, just like the financial sociopathic bankers “opposed” the creation of the Federal Reserve. Like they say, perception is reality. Here’s a link to the building of the internment infrastructure:

    http://www.marketwatch.com/story/kbr-awarded-homeland-security-contract-worth-up-to-385m?dist=SignInArchive&param=archive&siteid=mktw&dateid=38741.5136277662-858254656

    Here’s the link to staffing it:
    http://www.goarmy.com/careers-and-jobs/browse-career-and-job-categories/legal-and-law-enforcement/internment-resettlement-specialist.html

    Google ‘Quiet Revolution Anthem’ for my 2008 commentary on this very subject. The words are now almost 40 years old. We didn’t listen then, and I suspect we (as a society) won’t listen now.

    Thanks for your commentary on this serious subject.

  5. Sam

    The only real “terrorists” here are the current administration, and the 97 who voted for this legislation.

    • N8

      Correction Sam – 93. Might as well have been 97….

  6. Art Barnes

    Greg, I heard about the Senators passing this bill, scary stuff and Circa 1935 Germany comes to mind. What is even more scary is the thought that our leaders would even propose much less vote for it in the first instance. That leads me to your question …”what do these folks know is coming?” I believe they all have been briefed that there is a high likely possibility of a financial collapse which would bring out pockets or even regions of instability, anarchy if you will. That way the police and or the military would not have to wait around parks for days on end before hauling off the protesters to camps or wherever. When the american people find out that they can be taken away by a declaration of some thought police they will have to stay in their homes and do what they are told or else maybe never been seen again. I do feel you are right in suggesting that they must know something we don’t because in theory no law is enacted for the sake of enactment, it must address some problem or attempt to progress, restrict, or promote something for the benefit of the country. What may be even scarier is that the one Senators who are up for election next year and who voted for this bill will probably be reelected. In the end though the American people will have to take the responsibility and suffer for their actions in maintaining such leaders in perpetuity. History may record that the American people were so fully engaged with their sports and electronics that they lost all interest in preserving their own freedoms which they took for granted believing their leaders had their best interest at heart and would never grab power from them.

    • Sean S

      Well said.

      Apathy and ignorance are alive and well and traded on by our elected politicians.

    • Sarah

      You mean the Senate already passed this? Wait wait wait wait wait. I am definitely simplistic. Just lump things into Dem versus Repub and I can understand. Isn’t the Senate made up of more Dems? Aren’t they against all of this terrorist paranoia controlling military stuff. What is the financial angle on this. There must be a financial angle. Who is profiting? You mean the Democrats passed this?

      • TED

        Sarah:

        I congratulate you for beginning your search for the truth. One of the first steps you have to make is to realize that all the hoopla you hear on TV about Democrat vs. Republican and liberal vs. conservative is utter nonsense. They only claim to have these differences when they are in the spotlight. There is no real difference between the 2 parties. Neither party is going to step in to save the day! Note that (as someone posted above) the bill passed with 93 out of 100 votes! Therefore NEITHER party was truly against this bill! If you look at the 7 “no” votes that may give you a clue as to how many Senators there are that MIGHT be honest. (Don’t assume that all the “no” votes are good guys though.) I hope you saw my response to you above about the giant game of ping pong.

    • carmen

      For sure they know what it has been comming. In Canada two, Harper approved 3 billions for building new prisons and he passed a bill: no need for a trial to go to prison.

      http://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/canada-politics/edmonton-mayor-wants-harper-government-stop-building-prisons-134552998.html

  7. Vess

    It is not the passing of this bill that will make the USA a police state. The USA became a fascist police state about a decade ago. Things have been going downhill ever since. It is precisely because the USA is already a fascist police state that such laws are even considered. It is also why I stopped going there.

    You say that Obama promised to veto this legislation – but it is important to know why. You see, the initial proposal included language expressly precluding “the detention of citizens or lawful resident aliens of the United States on the basis of conduct taking place within the United States, except to the extent permitted by the Constitution of the United States.” The Administration wants that this language be removed from the bill. That is, Obama threatens to veto the bill unless this text is removed from it! It’s not your civil liberties that he is concerned about; just the opposite.

  8. Baja Bryan

    Greg,

    In 1887, Lord Acton stated in a letter to Bishop Mandell Creighton…”Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely”.

    In recent years, author Jim Marrs has been been speaking and writing about “The Rise of The Fourth Reich”. Of course the MSM and most Americans have discredited him as a conspiracy theorist without taking the time to review his work and related research.

    The word “conspiracy” is derived from the Latin conspirare, literally meaning to breathe together, to act or think in harmony. In the current zeitgeist, the word conspiracy has taken on a sinister connotation. Most dictionaries now offer two definitions of the word: 1. To plan together secretly, especially to commit an illegal or evil act, or 2. To plan or plot secretly. One definition is vile, the other less so.

    When we open our eyes and minds to what is going on it’s quite unsettling. However, no one has ever gained wisdom by studying material that only reinforced their own predetermined ideas. I thank you for not being one of those people Greg.

    • Greg

      Thank you Baja Bryan for your support.
      Greg

  9. ss cor

    Can you post the specific language from the bill that is of concern?

  10. George

    Greg,
    You left out Hillary attempting to do a back run on the 2nd ammendment through the UN small arms treaty. It looks like they are lining up things for marshal law and to protect the people from their rights…

  11. George

    And as always, Great job.

  12. Jeff S.

    Greg – I used to believe the one-world totalitarian government conspiracy dorks were insane. The past 10 years, since have proven them uncannily prescient. I now consider 9/11/2001 the day America died. I fear Amerika the police state will clamp its grip around our throats at any time. All it’ll take is one more big event, like economic/social unrest, to seal our country’s fate.

  13. jay

    man you got me fired up greg.
    im mad as hel..where do i sign up for the revolution army. iv got food stored up..if im a terriost,who have i terrorized? oh man this just me off. it seems like the republicans wants to hand oboma the election on a 24kt gold platter.
    people who know whats going on and dont vote for constitutional people like ron paul…i dont know anymore..im done

  14. Charles

    It happens that many Generals and Admirals are members of the Council on Foreign Relations and worse still, The Pilgrims Society of the United States, which exists to re-take North America for the British Crown. The Pilgrims have always been the management of more visible organizations, as they are ID’d as “the first organization” (Review of Reviews, May 1902, pp 557-558). When the 17th Amendment was passed allowing for direct election of Senators, it gave the Money Power the pathway leading to this atrocity. This plan to return us to Crown feudalism can only be halted if enough people become aware of it. Overseas interests are the enemy and they are based in England not the Middle East.

  15. Chuck Allen

    Hello Greg,

    Why is there no outrage over this action taken by out elected representatives? Simple, We the People no longer care what happens to us. We already have a travesty to freedom called the Transportation Security Administration (TSA). We the People have already given away our freedom to move about our country, and the world, to this government controlled bureaucracy. “Show me your papers” will be next. Does this sound familiar?

    Why is no one calling for the impeachment, under the constitution, of the senators who voted for this? Why is there no outrage? Could it be that the majority of “We the People” in this country have been dumbed-down to the point that we no longer understand what we are losing? Or, could it be that we just won’t care until we are locked up in detention camps?

    Freedom is what people throughout history have fought and died for to improve their family’s lives. It had everything to do with government oppression. It is the very reason the United States of America was formed!

    Once the U.S. military has the ability to DETAIN ANYONE for ANY REASON, they will. Who can stop them? They have at their disposal the most lethal weapons systems, on the planet, to use against We the People.

    I am outraged and I am calling for the impeachment of those senators, starting with McCain, who voted to steal our freedoms, again! These senators are traitors to the ideals of America! I also call upon our military leaders to deny this power to anyone that would use it against We the People!

    • Greg

      Chuck,
      It is because there is little reporting from the MSM and almost zero outrage from the same folks. Most people are unaware of the enormous problems that are coming at the country. Thank you for supporting this site.
      Greg

    • Jeff

      Why? No outrage?
      People are too angry that Kim’s marriage only lasted 72 hours, they are busy being angry that the issue of equal marriage or unions is a reality in NYC, they are worried they may never get to see Carrie Bradshaw make the fourth installment of her movie franchise, too busy worrying if Starbucks toilets are clean…….oh and then there was yesterday’s debate on fox that a children’s movie is full of communist subplots and every movie proceeding the latest had reds under the beds……………get it?
      Why aren’t you distracted?
      Please do not mis understand, Iam completely on your page and just blown away by the apathy of what is really going on. A commenter above says the USA died on 9/11, I think he may be on to something there.

  16. Cindy

    Mr. Hunter,
    First, how do we get a list of who votes yes for this? And, why are more sites/news making that information more visible.

    Second, isn’t there SOMETHING in the US Constitution that provides recourse for the people should government no longer represent “we the people?” We have got to take a stand TODAY. I fear tomorrow will be too late. I have children.
    Thanks so much!

  17. AndyB

    The Bill of Rights is rapidly disappearing under the auspices of bought and paid for treasonous criminals in Congress and a compliant puppet in the WH. Alinsky, Marx and even Hitler are smiling from the grave. Just give me first dibs on a top bunk at the FEMA camps that they are currently readying all over the US.

    • Tyson

      Instead Andy of booking your bunk location, why not go to the nearest gun store and purchase a weapon to use to fight back if this gets to the place where you are being carted off. Either way you are going to die, why not die standing as a freeman instead of being mass executed like the Jews?

  18. Tom H

    My other big concern is if 93 Senators from both parties voted for this unconstitutional legislation, what do these folks see coming? What future scanario do they all see?
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    These are excellent questions Greg. I have not posted here in a while because I got tired of regurgitating the same message. Get gold and Silver, get food, guns and bullets. etc.

    If this vote does not wake people up to what is coming, then nothing is going to. As you point out here often, the rule of law is gone in America, from metals price suppression to MF Global to this monstrous legislation, unconstitutional lawlessness rules the day by the people we elect and the bankers that own them.

    I appreciate your crusade for truth Greg, but it is too late, there is no reversing the chain events that these criminals have set in motion. May God help us all, I sure hope I see you on the other side.

    Just because I don’t post does not mean I am not reading. Merry Christmas to you and yours. TH

    • Greg

      Thank you Tom H and Merry Christmas to you and yours!
      Greg

  19. Agent P

    “My other big concern is if 93 Senators from both parties voted for this unconstitutional legislation, what do these folks see coming? What future scanario do they all see?”

    They see redefining ‘extremism’ to fit any description they so chose and drafting legislation to pen anyone in who fits that description. Pretty simple.

  20. Nam Marine

    Everyone of the 93 Senators should be arrested for High Treason against the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Then when they are found guilty, they should be hung from the street lights in downtown Washington D.C. ! That will leave us with 7 sensible Senators !

  21. g.johnson

    if your senator is not one of these 7 who voted against the bill:
    tom coburn (r-okla), tom harkin (d-ia), mike lee (r-ut), merkley (d-or, rand paul (r-ky), bernard sanders (i-vt) ron wyden (d-or); then your senator is guilty of high treason against the constitutional republic of the united states of america.

    the composers of the bill, carl levin (d-mich) and john mccain (r-ariz) need to be shipped off to gitmo immediately for an up front and in your face taste of their own vile product.

    as far as indicators that something very rotten is happening in this world go this is right up there with goldman sachs (and trilat nmembers) taking over the governments of greece and italy by virtual overthrow and our state county and city law enforcement agencies rounding up prisoners to feed the unconstitutional privately owned prison system in america.

    the sad thing is how our will to act seems to have been usurped by this machine of dispair that we call government and it’s masters the mammon worshipping sociopathic elite.

    right now we have tens of thousands of american patriots out on the streets of various american cities, freezing their collective ass off trying to get your attention, trying to get the governments attention and laying the foundation of the blowback that must come from we the people NOW if we are going to have any chance of bringing this country back to any semblance of the great gift that our founding fathers sacrificed so much to give us.

    how are we thanking the ows folks for their courageous efforts? largely by sitting in a warm room on our fat mcdee asses and criticizing them for not taking a freeking shower every day.

    what a nation of cowards we have become. seems like we may be getting exactly what we deserve. so, go tell your children that there will be no more liberty in this land because we failed to respond to its clarion call of responsibility.

  22. Nam Marine

    The NRA claims there are 90 Million registered gun owners in Amerika.
    The enemy will NOT remain in charge for much longer!

  23. Jones

    That makes all of them felons they violated their oath of office perjury is a felon. They are no longer in office a felon can not hold an office.

    • g.johnson

      not quite true jones, a CONVICTED felon cannot hold office. noone seems to be doing any convicting in high places thses days.

  24. Bob

    If you aren’t afraid to learn who is really behind this legislation, you must read “wikispooks.com 9/11″ (google it). This is ominous.

    • Tyson

      Jeez Bob though I would learn something I had not heard before. You sound like the Seinfeld episode when George was pretending to be the head of the Aryan Nation and blamed the Jews for Astro turf.

      Everytime you people blame the Jews you are not any better than the Nazi’s in their final solution or Islamic radicals who pledge to drive Israel into the sea!

  25. Dave

    I thank our founders daily for having the wisdom to write in the second amendment, if events continue on this unbelievable course, we’ll find out why they wrote it…

  26. Bob

    This bill is the last stand for the neocon’s, is how I see it. The CIA ,FBI and some in the pentagon said it’s a bad idea. If the FBI and CIA has clean out the neocon’s in there departments, then that only leaves the pentagon. So I would think shifting power to the pentagon is the last chance for a neocon coup. Best write the White house and back a veto, if the bill is not change.

  27. chowthen

    “No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, EXCEPT in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or PUBLIC DANGER; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.”

    The 5th amendment above seems to indicate the Military has the authority to hold terrorist but people seems to ignore the part where it says PUBLIC DANGER when arguing about the constitutionality of the act.

    • Tyson

      This

      “EXCEPT in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or PUBLIC DANGER:”

      deals with people in military service not civilians. The Military has the right to ajudicate members of the military or Militia during times of (declared) war or (times) of Public Danger. Thus why we have Military Tribunals.

  28. norcar survivor

    I would like to see them try to enforce this law in our rural areas. I meet all the points of suspicion Mr. Paul listed. Does that make me a terrorist. I love my country but I hate my government. That is a fact and my government continues to disrespect me like a wife having an affair with all of my friends. Where does it end Greg? Justice is a joke and they powers that be will not be able to continue this farce much longer before there is collapse. Get ready people it’s not coming, it’s here.

  29. JZ

    1. A Democracy: Three wolves and a sheep voting on dinner.
    2. A Republic: The flock gets to vote for which wolves vote on dinner.
    3. A Constitutional Republic: Voting on dinner is expressly forbidden, and the sheep are armed.
    4. Federal Government: The means by which the sheep will be fooled into voting for a Democracy.
    5. Freedom: Two very hungry wolves looking for dinner and finding a very well-informed and well-armed sheep….

  30. Tony

    If Johnny Soreto (or whoever he is) signs this into law…

    And if the Pentagon, and various Intelligence Agency heads are so very upset…

    Then the first act of the military should be to use this new found power to incarcerate the 97 Senators for TREASON, along with the Obama and his staff, and all the Congress members that voted for this vile treason against the people.

    It will be the LAW and no bought and paid for supreme court Judge or treacherous anti American Zionist will be able to do anything about it.

    This may be the golden opportunity for true patriots in the military and the intelligence agencies, brave men of honor and integrity, to clean out the worst of the rot and corruption in Washington.

    The military could then hold fair and transparent elections with a full paper trail, for a fresh clean new untainted Government, exactly as is now happening in Egypt.

    God bless America !!!!

  31. mile

    and while you are “detained” the property taxes will not nbe paid on your lands and bingo..land grab scheme for pennies on the dollar or less..

  32. Richard

    Good job shining a light on this criminal & unconstitutional bill that the MSM is ignoring for some reason. However one point, the President, the executive and the military are against this bill not because it infringes on the rights of U.S. citizens and is unconstitutional. They are against it because they want a free hand to do these things without legislative restraint!!

    • Greg

      Thank you Richard.
      Greg

  33. Pat

    what has happenned to out representatives? Have they been so corrupted into committing treason against American citizens? There is no way this actionis constitutional…

    Is the Supreme court in the bag too?

  34. Art Barnes

    They know something is coming and its going to be bad, what is it, a terrorist holy war from the thousands that are already in the country, a financial collapse, a bank holiday for a week or two, a shutdown of the internet? My guess is probably some or all of the above, first the bank holiday then the economic meltdown, then who knows! Whatever it is the bill allows for the arrest of any and all upon the thought of a few. 1984 thought police may well be alive and thriving in Washington. Beware america, your sports fun and electronic toys taking your mind off the end game of freedom will be your undoing.

  35. norcar survivor

    please watch
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4yDCUJJm_U&sns=fb

    • Greg

      This is good and worth watching.
      Greg

  36. Agent X

    The scary part of this is that these idiots would even dare try and pull off crap like this.

    http://www.lawfareblog.com/2011/12/the-ndaa-and-us-citizen-detention/

  37. Steve

    Greg, I wrote my Senator the day of the vote, Senator Dianne Feinstein wrote me back two days ago. That I am impressed with, considering her time commitments, she wrote me back very quickly. The other Senator from my state of California hardly ever writes back.

    I will let you read the letter below and comment on it if you care. I asked Senator Feinstein to vote “no” on the bill, but, she at least knew of my concern.

    The letter might also explain why so many Senators vote ‘yea” for it, since the bill “among other things, authorize funding for the U.S. Department of Defense”. Since it was all tied together it was hard to vote “na” in my opinion, because who wants to look soft on defense.

    But I felt my Senator tried her best to break the bill apart, read on….

    “Thank you for writing to express your concerns about the detention provisions in the “National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2012.” I appreciate knowing your views and welcome the opportunity to respond.

    This year’s defense authorization bill would, among other things, authorize funding for the U.S. Department of Defense. As you know, section 1031 would authorize the U.S. government to detain suspected terrorists until the end of hostilities, and section 1032 would require that certain suspected terrorists connected to al-Qaeda be automatically detained in military custody when apprehended.

    Like you, I oppose these provisions. Section 1031 is problematic because it authorizes the indefinite detention of American citizens without due process. In this democracy, due process is a fundamental right, and it protects us from being locked up by the government without charge. For this reason, I offered an amendment to prohibit the indefinite detention of U.S. citizens without trial or charge. Unfortunately, on December 1, 2011, this amendment failed by a vote of 45-55.

    I was, however, able to reach a compromise with the authors of the defense bill to state that no existing law or authorities to detain suspected terrorists are changed by this section of the bill. While I would have preferred to have restricted the government’s ability to detain U.S. citizens without charge, this compromise at least ensures that the bill does not expand the government’s authority in this area.

    I also oppose section 1032 of the defense bill, which creates a presumption that individuals associated with al-Qaeda will be held in military custody, as opposed to being processed through the criminal justice system. I disagree with this approach, and believe that the President should be able to hold captured terrorists in the military or the criminal justice systems based on the individual facts and evidence of each case. Accordingly, I offered an amendment to clarify that under section 1032, the presumption of U.S. Armed Forces detention only exists for an individual captured abroad. Unfortunately, on December 1, 2011, this amendment also failed on a vote of 45-55.

    Once again, thank you for your letter. Please know that I am committed to ensuring that our nation has the appropriate tools to combat terrorism, and committed to upholding our fundamental constitutional rights. “

    • Greg

      Steve,
      She voted to gut the Constitution. Her answer may have made her feel better but I don’t feel any better. She should have voted “NO” and made the sponsors cut it out. hey knew it would be hard to vote down that’s why they combined them. This makes me sick and she should be voted out next time she come up. Her excuse is I didn’t like it and I tried to get it removed but oh well. Sorry excuse.
      Greg

      • Chuck Allen

        Steve

        I come from the same lost state of California and have also written my Senators and Representatives for many of things they have voted for. The last one was the Obamacare legislation. California is a lost cause. The liberal mindset here IS fully represented by these two sell-outs Boxer and Feinstein. They are elected year after year as the state continues to go down in flames along with our country.

        I completely agree with Greg. Feinstein gutted the Constitution on this one and will continue to represent herself and her husband before anything else. Boxer is an old hag from New York who will vote for anything that will keep her in office.

        With that said, California is getting exactly what is has voted for…total destruction. Oh my… Jerry Brown too!

        Chuck

        • Nathan Hale

          Greg is right. They did the same thing in the last defense bill. I wrote my senators as well and got the same reply. The last one took away first amendment rights.

      • RobinH

        What I want to see is the who failed her amendment by the vote of 45-55. Where’s that list?

      • Bob

        anybody who voted for the useless wars should of been vote out by now.

    • M SMITH

      And the great Propaganda Machine the U.S. had set to operate out of the ESF back in 1934 is stronger than ever. By no means trust Timy Giethner or Obuma to stop these Hitler like tactics to bring on a clash of the people against each other, but millions of true vets know when a FUBAR has been planned for all of who set & watch, but those left who walked into/across the Killing Fields of Cambodia, planned by the banksters who bought off our gov many moons ago, don’t be fooled, the ESF is working over time to put all assets in place to make life like a horror show you never want a ticket to!_….-_.._….!

  38. Sandy

    Who comes up with this stuff? Are our lawmakers that paranoid? I’m less fearful of terrorists than of our representatives and the irony is that we’ve elected them. There must be something in the water of D.C. thats making them insane. I’m afraid our country will eventually be destroyed from within.

  39. Nathan Hale

    Could we use this legislation to detain the 535 terrorist in the District of Criminals?

  40. M SMITH

    The chatter on the net today is not a very good sign at all. Be prepared, INFOWARS.com, thedailybell.com has the Rothschild’s. Infowar has some very intellect post if you know what to look for! The high brass rubbed arms with the bankers back then even though they hated the bankers guts & now I not so sure?

    Be sure many in congress know something, look at the ones who have made sure they made as much money as possible before the public outed them!
    Greg I lived a life most would hate, but the friends I have made are priceless, we never left no one behind no matter the cost many of us carry with us today as we were put out to the pasture by the same government we took a oath to up hold & defend the CONSTITUTION against all enemies & a “huge bunch” just showed their “posistions to millions who are looking”! Millions of Vets are getting pissed as of lots of active duty also of the dirty dealing coming out of DC & the War Room. If I could only say what I want, but can’t, I will take the 5th on any thing else I may know. Armstrong was right all along, the law only applies to the non connected with the PE behind the curtain!

    Before I go ,Corzine is getting a pass by all of the MSM, even on fox business, but the Judge had a differnt view that I agree on, he has not been charged as of yet, but all of the out right evidence points to fraud, greed & in no part just plain stupidity as some many claim, that’s a train load of bull shit as the judge pointed out in a polite way.

    Peace Out.-.-._._.-._.!

  41. Rob

    Someone else’s post alluded to this thought: doesn’t this bill basically give the military the legal permission to stage a coup?

    I have often felt like I am living in a fictional book or movie over the past 3.5 years. Anyone paying attention has to come to the conclusion that the fed government has become a predator of those who it claims to represent. The govt itself is fighting for survival in a world of limited resources. Scary times indeed.

  42. Frank Brady

    The Washington political establishment (“both” political parties) have been laying the foundation of a totalitarian police state for decades. Everything from asset forfeiture laws through FISA, the hideously misnamed USA PATRIOT Act, up to this latest atrocity makes that legal (albeit unconstitutional) foundation stronger.

    Something wicked this way comes…and Washington is preparing to defend its hold on power against the People and what little remains of their Constitution.

  43. Ambrose

    Greg,

    As the Indefinite Detention Bill passed, the Military get the ultimate power to control this country.

    Your question that who decide who is a terrorist and who check to make sure the charges are valid is also my concern. Under the current law (or lawless in effect), any person can be name tagged as terrorist and lock away forever without a fair trial. There is no guarantee that the Military will not abuse this unlimited power. Nobody can control the Military any more. Anyone who oppose the Military can be arrested as terrorist and disappear forever. In theory, even the President, members of Congress and Supreme Court judges could be arrested if they are tagged as terrorists. I don’t know any other democratic and civilized country in the world has such irresponsible and abusive law.

    Consider the lack of intelligence of most legislators; both Houses surely passed the Bill without much thinking about the consequences. According to a 2007 report from National Gang Intelligence Center, gang activities in the armed force are increasing (http://militarytimes.com/static/projects/pages/ngic_gangs.pdf). “Some gang members may also enlist to receive weapons, combat, and convoy support training; to obtain access to weapons and explosives; or as an alternative to incarceration.” Not all members of U.S. Armed Force are heroes who protect our country. Some of them are determined to hurt more good people after they finish their military training. Why did the Congress want to give Indefinite Detention power to an unregulated Military with gang infiltration is beyond my imagination?

    Ambrose

  44. rory

    Alan Stanford has already been imprisoned, his assets taken, property frozen and he languishes in prison with no charges and no trial. He has been tortured and nearly killed.
    https://www.google.com/search?gcx=w&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=alan+stanford

  45. Gary S

    We need to out the rats who actually wrote this legislation for their lap dogs to sign.

  46. Lynn

    The FBI once told me that anyone who engages in an illegal act — no matter how minor — with political motives is a terrorist. Specificly, I could be regarded as a terrorist for putting an anti-immigration sticker on a sign post not on my private property. It didn’t matter at all that there were posters for a band, for “we buy houses,” for a pizza place, etc. all on the same sign post.

    True story.

  47. samix

    Hello Greg,

    I have been a frequent follower of your website, keep up your good work, but I find your support of US troops abroad as surprising, your choice of photograph for the above article (Guantanamo bay), the fate that western troops forced on other people around the world is now staring in the face of Americans. It is a well known fact that abusers will finally come and abuse their own in the long run, you could have done better by not supporting them in their phony wars.

    Regards,
    Samix

  48. Sean

    Greg:

    You stated, “My question is who decides who is a terrorist, and who checks to make sure the charges are valid?”

    My question to you is why is this even a valid question?

    The very thought that this law could have been passed by the overwhelming majority of Senators that have sworn an oath to our constitution, is hard evidence of TREASON and those that voted for the legislation should be immediately arrested.

    The question in my mind is why are these people still in office and not in a federal prison cell awaiting trial?

    Do we even have a shred of our concept of a government under the law remaining? Who is going to demand the immediate resignation of all 93 of these traitors? What action plan should be taken by the American People to remove these traitors from office immediately and start elections to replace all of them?

  49. kenny

    We the sheeple and our offspring are being sheared and soon slaughtered by our so called leaders as we bleep our way to destruction…….this rule of law WILL PASS with or without the sheeples consent.

  50. James

    So Rand Paul wants to keep the bill, but only take out the most crazy parts.

    What else is in the bill that he wants to keep?

  51. James

    Its amazing how anyone still votes for politicians.

    But if you don’t vote they get even more power!

    Its like the missing chapter from Catch 22.

  52. Bruce Stebbing

    This will only increase the debt because it costs a lot of money to build more detention centres and prisons to keep people locked up for longer periods. America is looking more like a communist country or a third world dictatorship evey day. Building all the concentration camps will be in the next Bill.

  53. Shine N Thedark

    Where can I hand the sign to the people involved in getting this bill this far!?! Has it really come to this!?! Were gonna have to change the song to…” Proud to be an American, where at least I know the military may have to kill me”… oops, did I say something wrong!?! Thank you for bringing this to our attention!

  54. Amy

    What’s really disappointing is that the Administration is opposed to the act not because it is unconstitutional, but because it would hinder the Administration’s ability to gain intelligence.

    It makes me think we need to start every congress session with a reading of the Constitution, as conservatives suggested and liberals turned their noses up to.

  55. jay

    greg. theres getting to be to many comments to read them all.
    time to run for congress. we need you.

    • Greg

      Thank you Jay. Maybe I will someday.
      Greg

  56. ncdirtdigger

    Just in case anyone from the government should read these comments, let me go on record as supporting everything our government does. I watch my neighbors and will gladly turn them in if I hear them speak ill of our glorious leaders. (wink, wink)

  57. Philip

    So, seems to me we have but one last (and I mean LAST) chance for a peaceful resolution to this dilemma. That being of course to back the only man standing in the way of this mess and speaking truth even against great odds. We must make Doctor Ron Paul the 45th President of the United States.
    I have a vision of this great man as in the scene of the solitary man in Tiananmen Square standing down that tank. I just can not imagine the courage this man has shown for love of country and humanity.
    December 16th we have a chance to show the world we have his back. (money bomb) Will we do it???

  58. Aulie

    okay everyone- I’m really worried about all of this- my parents are telling me to watch what I write online about this because the pattriot act already has terroor surveilllance all over the ameerican web. My friends and i think that this maybe the cause for revollution of the working class and cause annarchy, other friends say that hitller began his reign this way in germany, by doing things “by the book” at the start, or at least making it seem that way until there was no way to stop the natzii german power, and that thats what will happen when we have military set up in our cities and ecconomic collapse happens. Im really starting to get scared here, should i be? I mean is this really going to happen, what should we do? I want to believe theres a future for myself in ameerica, have a family thats safe and free with a home and comfort and well, freeedom. Im getting somewhat paranoid that thats not going to happen, and thinking ‘is it time leave, or armm up or what- please let me know your thoughts, i havnt really ever fallowed politics or anything, i just got old enough to be free and start knowing whats going on, are they really going to take away ameerica as I’ve known it? please forgive all my misspellings I certainly don’t want to get in trouble for asking questions, i was raised to think we were suppose to always ask and have free access to information here, but i just don’t know now. Please can someone break all this down more simply for me. Im trying not to be bias here. but what about all this censorshippp stuff. Where can i find more clear answers on this topic maybe some good videos? ty

    • PalomaResearch

      The overarching story of America was to become a safehaven and beachhead for the Word of God to blossom and to become a protector of the Jewish peoples. The incredible and unparalelled wealth of America has done more to advance the world than any other society in history; but the downside of freedom, is that some folks forget that their personal freedoms only extend to the end of their fingertips…and thus perversion and deception creep in, upsetting that which was blessed for the good of all, into multiple levels of societal distortions, including and leading all the way up to political corruptions and publicly appointed servants (Senators?), making and signing laws of the land which included such distorted acceptable provisions as sodomy and beastialty in that once revered institution called the US Military….In addition, this war on terror has its root in what we can call nicely, anti-God forces intent on bringing down the country, emotionally, socially, financiallly, militarily…and or any combination thereof….because no United Sates power basically means no Isreal.

      So, like a loving father who has warned his favored child over and over and over about various degrees of punishment and impending dooms for not correcting the bad behavior, you have a God in Heaven who weeps daily for this land called America….and is ever so slowy removing the hand of mercy and grace…

      ….As that occurs, everyday there comes a new round or new level of punishment and troubles. Unfortunately, like the many millions of rank and file Germans in the Hitler archives, they were duped and had no idea of the monster who was creeping up in their midst. And such is America today. It isn’t that Oboma is Hitler per se, but the perverting and undoing of the American systems and beliefs and standards under his watch is rapidly ramping up toward a day in America…..where wise folks will stand up and say..”.Dad is mad!”

      You have a beautiful country. There are many faithful and concerned people like yourself who are perplexed at all of the things transpiring before their eyes…
      they are really praying; and thats the most powerful place you can start.

      Paloma

    • norcar survivor

      Aulie
      I am appalled that you even have to write this letter with the threat of retaliation in your words. No American citizen should ever be afraid of questioning our government and in fact are told it is our DUTY to do so. Please keep asking the questions and seeking the answers for they are your right as a citizen of this country. I hope you agree Greg. Don’t mean to jump into your parade but the fear in this persons words infuriate me.
      Phil

  59. major

    This bill passage proves that the American people need to drastically improve their skills in proper enemy identification….

  60. norcar survivor

    Hey Greg
    Is this not just a continuation of The Enemy Belligerent Interrogation, Detention, and Prosecution Act of 2010, or S. 3081? Walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.

    • Greg

      norcar survivor
      I hear quacking too!
      Greg

  61. Steve

    Yep, like I’ve been saying. We don’t have a government that makes laws, we have a criminal cartel that makes rules to keep itself in power.
    It not only violates the constitution and the bill of rights, but it violates natural law, which the document used to declare independence from the King and the people saw and heard to decide to resist the king states that we institute governments to protect our natural inherent rights. Looks like we need to institute a government to protect us from this criminal mob.

  62. Jacob Diehl

    If this bill is passed, civil war will ensue. It is time to stop regarding the election terms and constitutional rights as solid facts. This is an open defiance of the constitution, yet people seem to think that their opinions on “constitutionality” are heeded in the slightest. The America that has acquired the connotation of freedom over the past few hundred years is now nonexistent. If civilian lives are threatened, hopefully the American people will rise to fight this oppression. Because our government lacks any respect for our wishes, the only way to display a message is, unfortunately, war. If one civilian is killed, twenty oppressing government officials must be killed. If one civilian is taken and detained indefinitely, twenty government officials must be kidnapped. When these pigs start enduring the suffering that they are so comfortable inflicting, things will change.

  63. slingshot

    Very disturbing information from the Halls of Congress and still there are many who disbelieve at what stares them in their face. They can make all the laws they want in Congress, but who will enforce them? The question must be asked of Law Enforcement and our Military. Place those who should keep the Public Trust to go on Public Record as to who stands by our Constitution and the Bill of Rights. The Act of “Just Following Orders”,is contemptable if one has any moral fiber.
    It is true the manner of warfare/law enforcement has changed to the point that it can be used effectively against civilians. We as a nation have built many prisons and those that fear the FEMA camps only have to look at our baseball and football stadiums as they hide in plain sight detention camps. Worked very well in El Salador under the management of the military.
    As technology advances, some embace it and others fear it. We can not escape it. It has enriched our lives but also enslaved us as it has freed up more time, the pace of life has quickened. We all leave digital foot prints to be tracked. The marvels of GPS, satellite communication, infra red, sound amplification, leaves us no place to hide.
    So where does it end? Does Congress have to pass every bill to see what is in it? Do we send hopeful Tea Partiers to correct the problems only to have them become the same as their predecessors? Do we allow Congress to pass bills just because they were past war heroes? We will! Just as we digest and rationalise the the unemployment, inflation, welfare and other manipulated stats that suites their plans for re-election.
    A wise man once said, “Nobody is safe while Congress is in session”. An echo from the past.

  64. guzzi

    Attached is the latest version of the house bill (1540) am I confused or is all of this hoopla a little overblown. Read the section (1032 part b) that states: The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.
    What am I missing here……

    SEC. 1031. AFFIRMATION OF AUTHORITY OF THE ARMED FORCES OF THE UNITED STATES TO DETAIN COVERED PERSONS PURSUANT TO THE AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF MILITARY FORCE.

    (a) In General- Congress affirms that the authority of the President to use all necessary and appropriate force pursuant to the Authorization for Use of Military Force (Public Law 107-40) includes the authority for the Armed Forces of the United States to detain covered persons (as defined in subsection (b)) pending disposition under the law of war.

    (b) Covered Persons- A covered person under this section is any person as follows:

    (1) A person who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored those responsible for those attacks.

    (2) A person who was a part of or substantially supported al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated forces that are engaged in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners, including any person who has committed a belligerent act or has directly supported such hostilities in aid of such enemy forces.

    (c) Disposition Under Law of War- The disposition of a person under the law of war as described in subsection (a) may include the following:

    (1) Detention under the law of war without trial until the end of the hostilities authorized by the Authorization for Use of Military Force.

    (2) Trial under chapter 47A of title 10, United States Code (as amended by the Military Commissions Act of 2009 (title XVIII of Public Law 111-84)).

    (3) Transfer for trial by an alternative court or competent tribunal having lawful jurisdiction.

    (4) Transfer to the custody or control of the person’s country of origin, any other foreign country, or any other foreign entity.

    (d) Construction- Nothing in this section is intended to limit or expand the authority of the President or the scope of the Authorization for Use of Military Force.

    (e) Authorities- Nothing in this section shall be construed to affect existing law or authorities, relating to the detention of United States citizens, lawful resident aliens of the United States or any other persons who are captured or arrested in the United States.

    (f) Requirement for Briefings of Congress- The Secretary of Defense shall regularly brief Congress regarding the application of the authority described in this section, including the organizations, entities, and individuals considered to be `covered persons’ for purposes of subsection (b)(2).

    SEC. 1032. REQUIREMENT FOR MILITARY CUSTODY.

    (a) Custody Pending Disposition Under Law of War-

    (1) IN GENERAL- Except as provided in paragraph (4), the Armed Forces of the United States shall hold a person described in paragraph (2) who is captured in the course of hostilities authorized by the Authorization for Use of Military Force (Public Law 107-40) in military custody pending disposition under the law of war.

    (2) COVERED PERSONS- The requirement in paragraph (1) shall apply to any person whose detention is authorized under section 1031 who is determined–

    (A) to be a member of, or part of, al-Qaeda or an associated force that acts in coordination with or pursuant to the direction of al-Qaeda; and

    (B) to have participated in the course of planning or carrying out an attack or attempted attack against the United States or its coalition partners.

    (3) DISPOSITION UNDER LAW OF WAR- For purposes of this subsection, the disposition of a person under the law of war has the meaning given in section 1031(c), except that no transfer otherwise described in paragraph (4) of that section shall be made unless consistent with the requirements of section 1033.

    (4) WAIVER FOR NATIONAL SECURITY- The Secretary of Defense may, in consultation with the Secretary of State and the Director of National Intelligence, waive the requirement of paragraph (1) if the Secretary submits to Congress a certification in writing that such a waiver is in the national security interests of the United States.

    (b) Applicability to United States Citizens and Lawful Resident Aliens-

    (1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.

    (2) LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to a lawful resident alien of the United States on the basis of conduct taking place within the United States, except to the extent permitted by the Constitution of the United States.

    • Greg

      Guzzi,
      You are missing S 1867. Both Senate and House bills now have to be reconciled. Maybe this gets fixed in the process. I hope so.
      Greg

  65. marty

    93-7…I thought a two thirds majority was needed to pass a senate bill…can someone clarify

  66. norcar survivor

    Greg
    I just received a letter from my son who is in Marine basic training right now. He wrote in his last letter that his Senior Drill Instructor it telling them that our government is becoming corrupt and to remember that their allegiance is to the people not the government. This is a startling revelation to me that even our military is training for a potential civil unrest. Call it what you will but it looks like the military is choosing sides and doing a good job of it.

    • Greg

      norcar survivor
      Love it!!
      Greg

    • Steve

      That is great to hear. Yes, they are to protect the people in accordance with the founding of this country. Someone should already be giving them the orders to go to Washington to watch or help in the arrest of certain congressmen and senators.

  67. Steve R.

    Hey Greg,

    I was looking at Sec 1031 & 1032. It says at the end of 1032:

    “UNITED STATES CITIZENS.—The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.”

    I wonder if I’m missing something. I honestly want to understand. Does that not say the section does not apply to citizens of the United States?

    • Greg

      Steve R,
      If you are taking about S 1867 you are missing the fact that the bill contradicts itself and also provides exemptions to these provisions. That is what many have reported, including Constitutional expert Judge Andrew Napolitano. I hope it gets fixed when the bill is reconciled between the House and Senate versions.
      Greg

  68. Dwight

    Shame, they don’t fix problems, they create more… we voted to those to help and they are the enemy……… When they try this tactic I am shure there will be innocent people caught in the violence

  69. Ernest W

    I eat 2 eggs a day every morning. I shop for groceries once per week. A dozen eggs lasts 6 days. If I’m running low, I’ll buy another dozen. Now I have enough eggs to last 12 days. Does this make me a terrorist? Will they take my fridge as evidence? Will I be sent away?

    • Greg

      Good point Ernest.
      Greg

  70. Art

    Who is or who are the weasels that actually slipped the “Detention Bill” into the legislation? Oh, let me guess! their names are not available.

  71. Ned Ammari

    It seems to me that what some PARANOIDS,in Congress,are trying to do is making SHAWERMA out of our cherished Bill of Rights. Their scheme must be fought until it is defeated soundly.Period.

  72. sheepal

    If you want something done right you have to ban together and knock a few heads together what so
    Bad. About this country we lost the constitution in the past 50 years because of the idiots that has been
    In the whitehouse and what is going on behind closed doors in congress
    people has become like sheep waiting for the slaughter and nothing
    More this illegal aliened have in the white house needed to go along with the
    People that telling him which bills to sign like clintons and the others that’s helping
    this pos idiot that has spent our millions for his vacations should have to pay.
    the u.s. back while people starve here in the u.s. he is running around the globe
    On vacation

  73. Tedro

    Lets throw all members of the Congress and Senate including Obama into prison for being suspected terrorists. Then, elect all new officials for Congressmen and Senators with no party affiliation. Their mission is to fix the IRS system and all the other systems that have been comprimised over the last60 to 70 years. Put all elected offcials on Medicare, Social Security and all the other systems that all other U.S. citizens are on. No elected official should be able to vote themselves pay raises, perks of any kind or anything else that is benifial to themselves.

  74. Richard

    I read and skimmed through it Senate Bill 1867 and authentic copy PDF and I didn’t see anything about detention camps and how the military is going to arrest civilians. I saw how congress is going to fund eh National defense as it is am authorization bill for an appropriations for the military. I happen upon his web site http://usawatchdog.com/ and find it a little insane that we are all going to go to jail, fat f******** chance of that happening anytime soon. Remember there isn’t enough military in this country to arrest every man, woman and child in a 100 mile radius. Furthermore I think someone got up one morning and miss read the mail and decided to take it upon themselves to run out in the street screaming, the sky is falling, the sky is falling. This country has a lot of asshole outside of the government that are reactionaries just trying to excite the general public into mass hysteria. It all boils down to liberal bullshit and the f********* that don’t have lives outside of the cheerios box. I think the JRense & Joseph P Farrell – Heading for War? And Gerald Celente are like the guy at the filling station in the plains saying stupid s*** about nothing just so people will listen to their inane crap. If it ain’t broke don’t fix it, if it is broke, toilet paper and bailing wire with do the job. Yes if you could get the place to go and see the raw data about how it is all coming to an end then I would be a firm believer in the dooms dayers who live in their own little fucking world away from the rest of us in main stream society. Sure I will admit the world isn’t a perfect place as everyone has their own agenda, but if the end was coming it would have arrived by now and we would be pushing up roses. I got a gut feeling we are being manipulated for a greater and more evil cause not only by our government but the IMF so like you said the banks can take their Holiday and we can all starve, riot, burn, pillage, rape and sanctify our need to survive at all cost no matter what. I want f******* proof of it, not just manufactured bullshit online day by day. If we hate the Iranians so f******* much then let us nuke the crap out of them and take our chances, then sit around the bragging table with one-upmanship scenarios about how we is gonna get them bastards. Enough said I am literally f******* pissed at all of the name calling, bullshitting, occupy crap, just do it like the LA riots, go in a beat the carp out of them and stop the pussy footing around the Christmas tree to create the national hysteria syndrome.

    • Greg

      Richard,
      It is you that sounds crazy. The evidence is overwhelming you are totally wrong on every point you made in your comment. If you want proof the President can arrest and indefinitely detain Americans, look no further than Carl Levin who co-sponsored the legislation. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHaJrnlqCgo&feature=player_embedded. Next time clean up your language, you sound like a moron.
      Greg

  75. jojo

    let us not speak of freedom no more in this land. Let us not thank the founding fathers whom envisioned a nation rooted in liberty and justice….let us thank not the soldiers who died in vain, in trying preserve the American way of life….we have shamed ourselves eternally to all future generations of humankind. For a while we had it right. Yeah we had to fight for it, bleed for it, die for it, face jail for it; but liberty’s price has always been vigilance and blood…paid for by brave, noble, ordinary people…we are now a land of cowards and savages, deserved to be ruled by tyranny…good night and good luck America…

    • Greg

      Jojo,
      You goive up that easy?
      Greg

    • Steve

      Part true JoJo, although many people have been hoodwinked and even though it could be argued that they are still to blame for allowing themselves to be hoodwinked one can’t ignore the great amount of effort those in power have put forth to hoodwink the masses.
      Let’s stay positive and enlighten people to the proper role of government, and that is to protect our right to be in charge of ourselves. It will do us well to focus on the free loving society, instead what currently has been allowed to be.

  76. donald bruce

    Are Marbury vs. Madison precedents superseded?
    Over 300 constitutional challenges reinforced that the United States Constitution WAS the law of the land. What does an oath to protect and defend the constitution actually mean to President Obama ?????
    Is the U.S. Constitution still the Supreme unchallengeable law of our country???

    • Greg

      donald bruce,
      It sure should be. Thank you for the comment.
      Greg

  77. No Thanks

    If the police would do their job this shit wouldn’t happen! In fact, if you look up the definition of “domestic terrorism”, the police and firefighters are guilty of it when it’s time to renew their contract(s) or they are facing cutbacks. They use fear and threats of catastrophe for personal monetary gain.

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